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panbiker
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Posted -  25/02/2007  :  13:34
I thought it might be a good idea to start a new topic off in this area for research or information

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panbiker
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Posted - 02/03/2007 : 18:42
Thanks for that Stanley, i'll give that a read, I read your comments in the Barlick and Earby today, I'm sure you'll keep us posted on the Barmy Mick date. The FID reference was very welcome as well, it all helps to raise awareness of the hobby and the importance of reporting finds, which in the long run benefits everyone with an interest in history.


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Cathy
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 09:07
Stanley...re: your reference to the man that was grubbing an old hedge, and found a ring.  I saw that story on the antiques road show, the ring was valued at 10 thousand pound.  Amazing!! 


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Debs
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 02:01
What's 'pollarding' ?


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Stanley
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 06:35
Debs, pollarding is cutting the branches off certain trees just above the main trunk.  Youn shoots spring out like an umbrella and they are harvested for cattle food or raw material for baskets or fence panels (hurdles).  Willows were a favourite tree but others were done as well.  After many years the trunk has a big ball of growth on it with young shoots sprouting out of it.


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panbiker
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 13:52

Their relevance to metaldetecting is that of recognisable landmarks, potentialy good places to hide valuables on a journey to be collected on the way back (or not, as the case may be) worth investigating.




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moh
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Posted - 19/07/2007 : 20:30
Seen the news tonight?? - All that Viking silver found near Harrogate - makes you wonder how much is out there


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Stanley
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 06:13
More than has been found Moh......


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melteaser
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 08:02
I saw this on bbc website yesterday...amazing


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Gloria
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 08:22
It says the plunder could be shared between the finders and the landowner. I wonder if the landowner knew they were in his fields ? There have been varying valuations from £750,000 to over 1 million. How on earth do they put a value on something like that.


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moh
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 13:57
Seems the British Museum is prepared to pay £750,000 for it.


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panbiker
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 15:16


quote:
Gloria wrote:
It says the plunder could be shared between the finders and the landowner. I wonder if the landowner knew they were in his fields ? There have been varying valuations from £750,000 to over 1 million. How on earth do they put a value on something like that.

 

Gloria, when items are found that constitute "treasure" under the current Treasure Laws a valuation panel is apponted which usualy consists of experts on the items in question, which may include, archeologists and recognised valuation experts in the respective items. Any valuation attached to hoards such as this can be challenged by the finder or the landowner in which case the valuation is reviewed. The valuation is supposed to represent the current market value of the items. If the items are of interest to a museum they can bid for them at not less than the valuation arrived at by the panel. Proceeds from sales are normally shared equally between the finder and the landowner.

Within the metal detecting fraternity, simple agreement forms are available that can be completed by searchers and landowners (usually offered by the detectorist when seeking permission to search)  The agreements protect both parties and ensure that any monetary payment for articles found is equally divided between the finder and the person who owns the land on which the article(s) were found.

Most hoards and high value finds are usually a result of research, sometimes years of research undertaken by the detectorist to determine the best place to look. Of course it is perfectly possible to find hoards such as this purely by chance, you only have to look at some of the articles in the metal detecting magazines to see this. I doubt very much whether the landowner had any idea that his fields contained these items and the location, if he did he surely would have dug them up himself!




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Gloria
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 16:22
I just wondered if they had gone wandering about someones field without permission, it does happen, some people think they have the right to roam off footpaths. I once asked a couple where they lived so that I could picnic on their lawn, I'll leave you to guess their reply


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Another
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 17:41
I bet my relies lost in on their way back to Hubberholme from doing a bit of plundering down Harrogate way. Nolic



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panbiker
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 19:56

If they were searching without permission it is unlikely that there would be a 50/50 share out. Within the law this would be considered theft. Searching without permission is known as "nighthawking" and unfortunately gives the entire hobby of metal detecting a bad name. Some members of the archeology fraterernity cite actions such as this as reason to ban the hobby entirely, some would even like to say that they and only they have rights to all artefacts within the ground even if they have no intention of investigating the history themselves.

The Portable Antiquity Scheme which encourages the reporting of finds is an attempt to redress this imbalance in opinions. It is interesting to note that most metal artefact s recovered from the earth come from within plough depth (9" to 12") this is the same layer of earth that most archeological digs remove before they even start scraping away with their trowels. If you watch "Time Team" you will see that most projects begin with a mechanical digger.

It is also interesting to note that there is a substantialy higher percentage of metal artefacts recovered by detectorists and subsequently displayed in our museums than traditional archeology can or has produced in the past. So it could be argued that the metal detecting enthusiasts are contributing more to the understanding of our past than the professionals are.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6271879.stm

 



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Callunna
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 21:49
Metal detecting is high on my list of Things To Do When I Don't Have To Spend Hours Slogging My Guts Out For A Living.

(So far, the title is longer than the list.)

Hmm. I might start a new topic on this theme. It'd be interesting to hear what others would do/are doing.Go to Top of Page

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