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Stanley
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Posted -  28/04/2011  :  07:37
Political comment is a high risk activity on the site these days so I thought I'd try again to give those who are interested in politics a safe haven!


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Another
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 07:31
Comrade Nolic continues to ignore personal or any other comments from that person in Aberdeen. Others may wish to consider doing the same.

Personally I would not hesitate in barring him  but then as I have said before my perfect form of government is a benevolent dicatorship with me in charge. Nolic


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Stanley
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 08:12
A sensible post, very refreshing.

Belle, forgive me but I got so carried away I forgot to mention something. I didn't see the post before it was edited but I gather you were threatened with 'sidelining'. I have to tell you that the idea of anyone sidelining you strikes me as ludicrous! Hang in there.


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Bradders
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 15:30
Police arrest Rebekah.........to shut her up ? (literally ,and then in the wider sense !)

Stephenson ,Yates etc  probably breathing  a sigh of relief , for now ...

For her part, a few hours in choky might be preferable to a grilling on Tuesday....but she might still have to appear (bit unlikely now though !)

It was reported on twitter last week, that those close to her said she was very worried about being sent to prison ...........

 

Edited by - Bradders on 17/07/2011 3:41:44 PM


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Another
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 18:21
God, its getting worse with all the sticky fingers emerging from the Nurdoch pie. Paul Stephenson has accepted £12,000 spa breaks from NI and even the Chair of the Commons select committee is a budy of Hintons.

What happened to standards, decency and integrity in public life. They should all be sacked and not allowed to take up public office again. Nolic


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Another
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 21:00
Just been announced on the news that Stephenson has resigned.  So he should. Nolic


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Bradders
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 22:44
Stephenson "I will not lose sleep over my personal integrity "......

Should this be on "Quote of the Day ....?


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Bradders
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 23:06
"Thinking about it mentally..." (a quote from an ex-wife that left me in convulsions)........

......If this goes on , there will be no room left in prisons  for burglars !......

Was it foresight for Clarke to propose the sentence reduction plan  , or did he already know what was afoot ?


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Stanley
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Posted - 18/07/2011 : 06:19
I seem to remember being told that I was making too much of this a few months ago. It's got to the stage now where there is no point trying to keep up! The tide of sewage from the broken sewer at Wapping rises higher. There is a case for suspecting that the arrest of Rebekah was to limit what the Select Committee can ask her. One reading of Stephenson's resignation speech is that it points the finger at Cameron. Theories abound. One thing seems certain, how can Newscorp be regarded as 'fit and proper' to run a booze up in brewery?

Meanwhile in the real world the NoW affair obscures what is happening to the world economy. Banks and governments under immense pressure, Horn of Africa, soldiers dying in Afghanistan as more evidence points to them being under-resourced for the last ten years. Take your pick, lots of things we should be looking at. Could the ultimate problem with NewsCorp be that it made the government take their eyes of the ball?

Comrade Nolic is right, where is the integrity and ethics in all this. Where is the competence? 

Later...  Listening to Stephenson again I agree with Brad, his reputation is not undamaged. If a constable on the beat accepted a freebie what would his or her superiors think about it? The reason I came back to put this comment in my original post is that I remembered a farmer called Lionel Gleed who I first worked for when leaving scholl. He was talking to a feed merchant's traveller one day and I saw him refuse a Polo Mint, which I knew he liked. I asked him afterwards and he told me that if he had accepted the mint, psycholgically he would have been inebted to the traveller and that could influence his judgement. I never forgot that and it strikes me that Lionel could have taught our late Commisioner of the Met something about ethics.The politicians are piling in praising the Commissioner but one wonders if part of their agenda is that so many of them accept freebies, travel hotels etc.


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Posted - 18/07/2011 : 14:04
Looks like Yates of the yard will be suspended

The Met looks like it is ungoing it's own Augean clearance


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Bradders
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Posted - 18/07/2011 : 14:56
"Fell on his truncheon"... a few minutes ago !.

That Christmas dinner with Rebekah and James  might prove awkward for Cameron , particularily in view of his "Dismissal" of Vince Cable shortly beforehand........(Cable had been caught saying he was " Declaring War on Murdoch ") ........

I still say he's damaged goods......

Edited by - Bradders on 18/07/2011 3:08:07 PM


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Posted - 18/07/2011 : 23:13
.........and Huhne is still in the frame , but that's all gone a bit quiet lately.

I wonder if he will be offered as a diversionary sacrifice soon .....


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Stanley
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Posted - 19/07/2011 : 06:14
When the Coulson connection came up I commented that this could be bad news for Cameron and was told I was talking nonsense. Not long ago I was musing as to how many enemies a government could make, thinking about cuts to the police and the armed forces. I started thinking yesterday about wh Cameron's enemies are, of course we have Labour but add in many Liberals and perhaps most worrying for Dave, many Tories who, though publicly supporting him are privately appalled at his lack of judgement. Now we see him cutting his world statesman trip short, ostensibly so that he can bring MPs up to speed. You can forget that! He is coming home to coordinate his defence. Can you remember Paul Stephenson protesting against the cuts in police funding and negotiating protection for certain elaments of the Met's operations? Notice that it was he who put the boot in by poining out that employing Neill Wallace who hadn't been accused of anything was certainly no worse than No 10 taking Coulson in when it was known he was damaged goods. It's a powerful case and we haven't seen the end of that one yet.

Could the end result be a resignation at No 10? Could the government fall on a vote of confidence? Has this affair enhanced Conservative chances at the next General Election? 

Meanwhile....  An interesting question was asked yesterday on R4 about the enquiries into RBS and BOS, remember the Credit Crunch?  Prosecutions? Resignations by bankers and regulators? Chasing where the money went? Have you looked at the Euro crisis lately and the way the market is reacting to the failure of nine banks to pass the Stress Tests even though it was generally agreed that the criteria used were out of date and far too lenient?

PS. Worst of all, Nick Clegg was defending David Cameron yesterday. Now that really is serious!


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Posted - 19/07/2011 : 10:34
Ed Miliband's  "spin doctor" is Tom Baldwin who is also ex News International......(The Times) , and the first journalist to identify Dr David Kelly , in the Iraq WMD affair...................

I'd have thought that was a bit of a risky choice too , even before yesterday's development .

Edited by - Bradders on 19/07/2011 11:05:50 AM


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Bailey
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Posted - 19/07/2011 : 15:44
That is interesting I hadnt noticed that...he kept that one quiet didnt he?

i reckon though there is a superficial difference between The Times and the wimdu The News of The World... Ed Miliband dad make an awesome speech yesterday making links between this hacking, the police corrruption thing, and bankers bonuses and MPs expenses saying it is all an abuse of power.

Edited by - Bailey on 20/07/2011 12:03:43


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Posted - 19/07/2011 : 20:50
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Stanley wrote:
I remembered a farmer called Lionel Gleed who I first worked for when leaving scholl. He was talking to a feed merchant's traveller one day and I saw him refuse a Polo Mint, which I knew he liked. I asked him afterwards and he told me that if he had accepted the mint, psycholgically he would have been indebted to the traveller and that could influence his judgement.
It's not just ethics but also `good practice', strictly following rules that are designed to keep you safe and out of trouble. I've worked with explosive chemicals, carcinogens and dangerous bacteria and it's observing and teaching `good practice' that has kept me and my colleagues and (where applicable) the customers safe. Good practice is in short supply nowadays, which is why we get oil spills and exploding refineries and the same applies more generally to other occupations, trades and businesses.


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