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Tizer
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I have put this photo on the OGFB web site because it shows soldiers of the 4th Battalion East Lancashire Regiment in early 1915, and people might be able to identify ancestors among them.
The man with the three stripes and substantial moustache standing in front of the doorway is Sergeant Herbert Percival Barnes. I am not aware of the identity of any of the other people in the photo and do not know where it was taken. However, I believe it was somewhere in Britain. The photo was made into a postcard and Herbert sent it to his Aunt Maggie at 4 Seven Acre Brook, Lammack, Blackburn (and postmarked 21 April 1915 in Bedford).
At first Herbert was in the Territorial Army, then the 4th Battalion East Lancashire Regiment, and finally a Pioneer rank in the Royal Engineers at Haynes Park Signal Depot in the village of Haynes, Bedfordshire. Although he moved to the Royal Engineers on 24 March 1915, I think the photo was taken earlier - on the wall beside the doorway is chalked "4 EL Regt" suggesting he was still in the East Lancs Regiment.
Herbert Barnes was born at 23 Sarah Ellen Street (now Devonport Road) in Blackburn on 12 January 1883. He also lived at 9 Withers Street, 23 Withers Street, and 18 Hart Street, and became a cotton weaver. He married Ada Holden on 21 August 1906 at the Baptist Chapel on Leamington Road, Blackburn. Ada had lived at 3 Cheltenham Street and her father Thomas Holden was a pianoforte tuner - this may have accounted for Ada's musical ability and her later popularity at the piano in the George & Dragon pub in the centre of Blackburn.
Herbert and Ada had two children. May was born at 15 Wimberley Street, Blackburn, and she later lived in a cottage at 68 Knowsley Road, at Wilpshire Bottoms, with her husband Jim. A son, Harry, worked for Northrop in Blackburn but later moved to the south of England where he started an engineering business, played in a band and retired to Leigh-on-Sea.
In the 1920s, Herbert and Ada lived on Lammack Road between the Hare & Hounds pub and Ramsgreave Drive, Blackburn. First they were at a smallholding, where he bred Airedale dogs, and then nearby in one of a row of 3 or 4 terraced cottages called Stoops Fold. Herbert later remarried and lived at Beryl Avenue, Blackburn.
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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 08:32
Good post Tizer and it'll be interesting to see if it triggers anyone off. Posting pics like this on the site is one of the great services mambers do to other people, both now and in the future. They all end up backed up in the archive at Clitheroe.
Stanley Challenger Graham
Barlick View
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frankwilk
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Posted - 04/01/2008 : 19:07
Hi Tizer,
I would give my eye teeth for a photo like this of the 1st Battalion East Lancs Regiment, or the 8th at a later date. Good photo thanks
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Tizer
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Posted - 05/01/2008 : 10:59
Thanks for the positive comments Stanley and Frank. There must be lots of photos and postcards like this about - in the possession of people like my wife and I who have pictures of ancestors that have other people's ancestors in them. We just need people to make them available in public, so someone out there can think "That guy looks just like the old photo of my grandad - I wonder if it's him", or "My grandad was in the East Lancs, perhaps he's in this photo". The Barlick site gets good ratings on Google so it's a good way to bring such photos to people's attention.
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judith wilson
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 12:34
Ive just found this page on google - my grandad was in the 4th battalion east lancs and he joined up june 24th 1916.
Ive just spoken to a man at the fulwood barracks museum and am trying to get information on my grandad - I will let you know how I get on
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Stanley
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:02
Love the lace curtains as well........
Stanley Challenger Graham
Barlick View
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Tizer
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 12:46
Judith, good luck with your searches. Herbert Barnes (in the photo) is one of my ancestors.
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Tizer
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Posted - 25/09/2011 : 10:21
A new member called June has PM'd me with the following:
"Hi Tizer , How delighted I was to see a photo of this regiment.[ Link to this page]. My grt Uncle Francis Johnston was a gunner. My only evidence is his sons birth cert which gives his regiment details and him as informant in Carlisle in March 1915 which supports your information that the photo was taken early that year. The soldier front row 2nd left could be him as his brother is the double of that person. I have not been able to find any service record for him and dont know his ID number yet. Anyway grateful thanks for posting the pic - I had to message you straight away so now I am off to have a good study of the site."
I have suggested she introduces herself on this page in case someone on OG can help her.
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Stanley
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Posted - 27/09/2011 : 06:13
She will certainly be welcome!
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Tizer
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Posted - 27/09/2011 : 09:52
Even if June's great uncle Francis Johnston is not the man in the photo it will give her some idea of how he would have looked in his East Lancs regiment uniform at that time.
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Herbert Barnes in East Lancs Regiment
