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Callunna
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Came up in conversation today about whether it should be spelled Barlick or Barlic.
Someone mentioned the food shop Barlic Bites and said wasn't it strange how they got away with spelling it wrong.
However, I have a press cutting from the Craven Herald of 1914 which spells the town's nickname without a K and many locals also spell it that way.
It's always been with a K for me, but if this turned out to be the modern spelling then I'd be happy to accept a non-K version.
Does anyone have any strong evidence for either way?
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Callunna
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 16:26
quote: Another wrote: I will watch with interest to see how wide a debate this encourages. Nolic I'm sorry - I don't understand what you're saying.
Surely you didn't mean that your comment ("does it matter?") will be justified if there isn't a wide debate about my post?
There could be any number of reasons why it draws a blank, but its intrinsic value isn't affected.
However, I'm going to interpret your reply as indicating that you are indeed genuinely interested in the outcome, which I would like to think is what you intended. |
Another
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 16:51
Cally, I think whether Barlick has a K or not is of little interest to most site members including myself and as far as I'm concerned the level and nature of the responses will prove me right or wrong.
I'm not questioning your interest in the conundrum or its importance as a topic just expressing my own views.
I trust we don't end up falling out again over such an issue as this but you do seem to be getting a bit het up with me - or is it because I'm the only one responding?
Is there a song in this ? I'm sure a dity a la Fivepeny Piece or Mike Harding would go down well locally.Nolic
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 19:15
I have always thought Barlick to be a reasonable contraction of the present Barnoldswick that the town name has evolved into. I can't say that I have ever come across any other spelling in general use. I have always regarded the sign on the shop to be some kind of advertising ploy and any other occurance as a typo.
It be interesting to find out if the residents of the other Barnoldswick (near Ingleton) shorten the name of their dwelling place also.
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Stanley
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 06:33
I'll repeat, Barlic appears as spelling in CHSC Minutes pre WW1.
Ian, they have already, its called Barniwig.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 08:24
Cally thanks for your honest posts...I agree it is becoming very unprofitable to try to interact on any topics on here these days if you are a woman, as you say any input seems to be met with disregard, or dismissal...perhaps the title of this website "OneGUY from barlick" says it all!...perhpas I could remind people that the section we interact on is called "chat and fun" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Stanley
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 09:13
Yup. And it's the contributors that inject it. As for 'Guy', my impression was that these days it had become an acceptable androgynous term.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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thomo
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 09:34
I always understood that an abreviation of this kind often begins and ends with the first and last letters of the original word.
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 09:52
Interesting. Would never have occured to me that 'Barlick' would be spelled any other way and 'Barlic' looks very odd (like a Croatian surname). But that is probably my conditioning. Often, if I have made a spelling mistake it's the 'oddness' of what I have before me that alerts me. I lifetime's experience simply says this isn't right.
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elise
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 09:57
The scribe of the manorial court wrote in May 1723
"Verdicts of Barlick court rolls."
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Another
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 10:14
This is a debate which is encouraging more interest than I anticipated. I therefore withdraw my comments made earlier and accept that I was wrong in my predication.
1723 is a fair way to go back in confirming the K. I doubt there will be much earlier evidence supporting the c ............then again I may be wrong . Nolic
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Callunna
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 10:49
quote: belle wrote: Cally thanks for your honest posts...I agree it is becoming very unprofitable to try to interact on any topics on here these days if you are a woman, as you say any input seems to be met with disregard, or dismissal...perhaps the title of this website "OneGUY from barlick" says it all!...perhpas I could remind people that the section we interact on is called "chat and fun" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Belle. Reassuring to know someone else feels the same. You know we're unlikely to get this point accepted on here but hey - life's too short, so I'm making a conscious effort to just let it float over my head. In life there are always people who insist on having the last word, so I'm perfectly happy to leave it for other readers to form their own judgments about the situation.
Elise: Thanks for the information - that's the kind of positive feedback I was hoping to get. It adds credence to a certain line of enquiry which is bubbling about in my head.
Thank you also to Stanley for his earlier information about the CHSC minutes.
In the meantime, as an aside, would the most memorable (to me) advertising slogan of all time have worked if the spelling was different?
The Daleks are coming to Garlick's of Barlick (c. 1964 - This terrified a certain little girl and has obviously affected her views on life ever since...)
Edited:
Oops - it would seem this post overlapped Another's. Thank you for your comment, Colin.
Edited by - Callunna on 04/11/2011 10:55:33 AM |
elise
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 11:35
What's in a name? that which we call a rose.
Being a K woman I was going to keep this to myself:
Domesday Book BERNULFESUUIC
I will now shuffle off this mortal coil.
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thomo
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 13:17
I like Bruffs angle on this, in many north Eastern European countrics many surnames end in "C" which comes out as "Itch" therefore we would have "Barlitch"!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 14:09
quote: Stanley wrote: I'll repeat, Barlic appears as spelling in CHSC Minutes pre WW1.
Ian, they have already, its called Barniwig. I think it should be noted that the CHSC minute books although a mine of information and a good finger on the pulse of local business and the movers and shakers of the time, would surely have been written up by one person and the spelling of Barlick without the K may just be an iconsistency maintained by that particular individual.
Now Barniwig, there's a contraction to conjour with! An extra i and a g from nowhere.
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Stanley
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 06:21
Ian. Yup, but the point is that he was an educated man and used the spelling. Barlic has always looked odd to me but then so do so many things!
Stanley Challenger Graham
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