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Tizer
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We visited the Low Ham Steam Fair 2010 on 17th July and I will post a selection of photos below. There are some of steam traction engines but possibly more of classic cars, vans and lorries which I have to admit interest me most! I hope you enjoy the pictures.
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 12:14
Edited by - Tizer on 18/07/2010 12:18:48
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 12:23
Steam ploughing going on here with the plough about to be turned around to start its journey back down the field. It's Fowler BB1 12 nhp Engine No.15164 `Berkshire Lady', Reg. WR7185, built 1918.
This picture shows another engine at the bottom of the field (taken on long zoom, so you can tell the size of the field!). It has this description in the Steam Fair programme:-
Number 35. Fowler BB1 Ploughing Engine N0. 15199
Built 1918 Reg No. AL 8510 Fitted with 6 cylinder Mercedes Diesel engine. Supplied new as a conventional steam ploughing engine to Beeby Bros of Rempstone, with its sister, no. 15198 (AL8509). They worked as Beeby’s no. 11 set till 1950, then were converted to diesel power with Mercedes engines in 1951. They worked in this form till 1963. Purchased at auction in 1988. Making a very welcome first visit to our rally - the first time a diesel powered ploughing engine has worked on our site.
Owned by: Basil Gibbons, Hook, Hampshire
1972 Bedford J2 UWT 770L
A display of British Road Services models by Graham Joy of Bridport...he's a mine of information on thse vehicles and the company.
1942 Scammel Pioneer SOW 708...
Edited by - Tizer on 18/07/2010 12:47:17
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 12:27
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 12:30
Stone crushing by steam power...
The workers having a brew!
A couple having a grand day out!...
Edited by - Tizer on 18/07/2010 12:50:45
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 12:33
Here's a couple for Panbiker and his friends who do the WWII stuff in Barlick!
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Stanley
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 12:44
I must be elderly! I had BSA bantam just like that and apart from the steam wagons I've driven almost all the other vehicles at one time or another. The pic that intrigues me is the ploughing engine that looks to have been converted to an IC engine. Never seen anything like that before.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 13:06
Smashing pictures Tiz, and thanks for the bikes, the top one is a BSA M20 single cylinder 470cc developed for the military, most prolific british bike produced during WWII. Wiki article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSA_M20
Not sure of the second one yet, not a lot of clues from this angle.
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 13:38
Looks like it could be some kind of IMZ-Ural. These were developed during the war from "aquired" designs of German BMW bikes and sidecars. Only downer I have on this is that the sidecar is at the wrong side, unless of course the Russians made some for us? Weapon may give further clue but this may not be contemporary with the bike, interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMZ-Ural
It could be post war export adapted as a look alike but the wrong orientation if you know what I mean.
Edited by - panbiker on 18/07/2010 13:44:32
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 14:19
Nice pics Tize. Thanks for posting them. Nolic
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 15:03
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The pic that intrigues me is the ploughing engine that looks to have been converted to an IC engine. Never seen anything like that before.
Fowlers (I believe) in Leeds did one or two of that type of conversion. There is chap down near Boston in Lincs. that has a couple, but from memory I think the diesel engines on them are rathe bigger than the one on Tizers picture. The chap down in Lincolnshire owns what was the last Marshall tractor/traction engine dealer in the country and they still make parts and repair them. He has a wonderful collection of elderly machinery.
http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Crawford_collection
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 16:09
Ok, the weapon on the sidecar outfit looks like one of the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) variants first produced in the First World War and modified in WWII. This is the only weapon I can find with bottom magazine feed and matching stock to the one in the photo.
This would match my theory that this presentation is not contemporary with any particular theatre of war. Post War export Russian Ural bike and sidecar configured for right hand drive with American armament. The headlight mounted on the front of the sidecar would also restrict the field of fire of the weapon. Can't make out the decal on the front of the sidecar which would give anotherclue.
I could be completely wrong on this but I don't think so.
Tiz was there any indication of what this was supposed to be?
Edited by - panbiker on 18/07/2010 16:14:49
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 16:27
Catty, the size of the engine was bothering me a bit. You'd need a hell of a diesel to match the starting torque of the steam engine. I've seen Fowlers working hard on big heavy equipmant and they weren't even trying. Just a bit of a heavy bark on the first stroke from rest.
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 17:04
Panny, looks a bit big for a BAR and all the variants had a genuine rifle look about them. I've had a good look around the internet and the nearest I can get is a possible variant on the Italian Breda which was a LMG with a full rifle stock. Nolic
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 17:09
Thanks everyone for all the information! Ian and Nolic, I can't find anything in the programme listing for this motorcycle combination under the military vehicles section or the motorcycles section. I'll look further in the programme and see if I can unearth anything.
Stanley and Catgate, the IC-converted engine is listed as follows in the programme and I've also added this info above the photo:
Number 35. Fowler BB1 Ploughing Engine N0. 15199
Built 1918 Reg No. AL 8510 Fitted with 6 cylinder Mercedes Diesel engine. Supplied new as a conventional steam ploughing engine to Beeby Bros of Rempstone, with its sister, no. 15198 (AL8509). They worked as Beeby’s no. 11 set till 1950, then were converted to diesel power with Mercedes engines in 1951. They worked in this form till 1963. Purchased at auction in 1988. Making a very welcome first visit to our rally - the first time a diesel powered ploughing engine has worked on our site.
Owned by: Basil Gibbons, Hook, Hampshire .
Oh, and have a look at the videos listed here! ........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIFwmNjmhnk
Edited by - Tizer on 18/07/2010 17:11:14
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Posted - 18/07/2010 : 19:58
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Catty, the size of the engine was bothering me a bit. You'd need a hell of a diesel to match the starting torque of the steam engine. I've seen Fowlers working hard on big heavy equipmant and they weren't even trying. Just a bit of a heavy bark on the first stroke from rest.
I have a friend who lives just a few miles away who has three old Field Marshall tractors (four and a half litre, single cylinder, two stroke diesel beauties).
He took me with him on a trip down to see Mr Crawford, the man near Boston. Whilst we waited for one of Mr Crawfords chaps to get together the bits that my friend wanted, Mr. Crawford took up round his Museum.
He has a wonderful collection of "treasures", amongst which are the two converted ploughing engines a mentioned. He told how one of them towed the other from somewhere in the far South up to Leeds, and then after conversion one towed the other back again. The engines on them are quite a bit bigger than the one in question but just what they are I am not sure.
It is certainly a place to visit if the opportunity arises. I am hoping my friend needs some more bits for his No 3 tractor.
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Low Ham Steam Fair 2010 (Langport, Somerset)
