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Posted -  01/09/2006  :  00:12
Subject: Family Interests, if allowed.
Topic author: Lyne
Posted on: 02/07/200504:24:49
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I have connections to Barrowford on my father's side He was brought to NZ age 4 by his WW1 widowed mother, Mary TAYLOR. She married Richard TAYLOR who's father Henry TAYLOR owned a farm along the Barnoldswick Rd. When Richard died in WW1 and his mother died the farm ended up in the ownership of his sister Mary Jane STANSFIELD nee Taylor and her husband James STANSFIELD. I would love to know the name of the farm and it's exact location.
Richard's uncle bought "Crowtrees" farm in the early 1900s I would like to know the date it was bought.
Richard's grandfather, Richard TAYLOR also owned a farm at Higher Grey Stones, Roughlee, if anyone has any information on it that would be great.

My other family names are:
DAWSON Cowling WRY, Barrowford.
Altham Clitheroe, Barrowford
HARTLEY Barley & Wheatley
HARGREAVES Barley & Wheatley
And their are connections to
Smith
Dodgeson
Crowther
Durham
Parslow
Boardman
Weatherhead
All the above Barrowford.







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Reply author: Stanley
Date: 02/07/2005 11:37:25
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Lyne, of course you are allowed, that's what the site is all about. I am up to my neck at the mopment but will look in the indexes for you sometime next week.

There is a Greystone Farm on Coldweather, same one or is there another at Roughlee?



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Reply author: BarrowfordJohn
Date: 02/07/2005 12:11:56
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Lyne, you have more family history in this area than you can shake a stick at! The Hartleys and Hargreaves were particularly fecund families, between them they owned much of the land around the Barrowford area (my house in Barrowford was built on Hargreaves land). This is because they were established here as cow keepers following the Norman conquest and took advantage of the ensuing land improvements whereby they were allowed to obtain their own land, in other words they were in at the start and took full advantage.

The farm you mention on Barnoldswick Road, if in Barrowford, could be one of a number ie; Ralph Laithe, Flax Moor, Stone Edge, Burnt House, New House, Malkin, Greenshaw etc. I think that Stanley mentioned Able Taylor farmed post-ww11at Brown House Farm at the bottom of Gisburn Old Road just off Barnoldswick Road.

The local medieval records are full of references to Hartleys and Hargreaves families so it helps to try to narrow down which particular branch you come from. A search on the 1901 census (www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk) for Barley, Roughlee, Blacko & Barrowford might help but will cost. It is worth remembering when searching the census that Blacko was part of Barrowford until 1894 when it became a separate parish

A couple of the earlier census returns can be found at www.1837online.com and birth/marriage/deaths index is at www.freebmd.org.uk

By the late 1940s the farming interests of these families had become watered down: the only ones in the Barley with Wheatley parish were:

John Hartley of Pendleside farm (the farm at the very base of Pendle where the footpath begins) this family still farm there.

Tom Hartley of Ings Head Farm

Smiths were at Windy Harbour, Far Banks and Lower Cross

Mrs. Elizabeth j Taylor lived at Whitehough

Barrowford area= Wilfred hargreaves of Lower Park Hill Farm

Rennie Hargreaves at Crowtrees (this farm was by the 'Old Roman Bridge' on the Foreside enroute to the Watermeetings)

Richard Hartley of Greenhills Farm

William Hargreaves of Higher Wheathead Farm (I used to haymake for Bill in the 1960s)

Hargreaves of Higher Bridge Farm still there.

The Higher Graystones at Roughlee is an area around Niggarth at the top of Sandy Lane so this particular farm could be any one from Spen along to Ridgaling, again the census will show this.

A search of the archives on this site (from the home page) will throw up a number of relevant results for these families - I have an 18th c deed whereby Jonathan Hargreaves sold 4 farms in Roughlee and Higham - this is in the archive somewhere. There is a lot of stuff relating to the Admergill Hartleys too. Your Smiths are possibly the lot who built Roughlee Old Hall after buying the land from Alice Nutter's husband. They are related to the Briercliffe Smiths (Smith & Nephew at Brierfield) on which I have info but it is necessary to go back to the 16thc to sort these links out.

There are also a number of whizzkidettes on the site (Mel) who may have relevant census info to hand to get you started. I am sure that Uncle Stanley will also provide much of interest when he has the time, he has a wealth of material to draw on. I hope that you can keep us posted as to your progress as any small amount of new info can be valuable.Happy hunting.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/barrowfordhistory



Edited by - BarrowfordJohn on 02 July 2005 12:15:16


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Reply author: melteaser
Date: 02/07/2005 12:24:20
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Thanks BJ

Lyne, I will have a look at the 1901 for you. I go away on Sunday until Thursday. I have sent you a PM with my email address on it.

Mel



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Reply author: Another
Date: 02/07/2005 13:04:50
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Malty, yet another holiday - you lead a hard life!!! Nolic- staying sane despite all the buggers having a go at him!


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Reply author: Sue
Date: 02/07/2005 13:37:37
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I have Hartleys, as so many people do. Many Hartleys married Widdups, in Barnoldswick, including my direct line ancestor, Eli Widdup.My Hartleys are from Barnoldswick and Marsden. Rumour links thm with the Nutters but I have never made the connection. All I was told was Hartleys are like Smiths 'round ere. You'll never sort em out' I wish I could. I have certainly linked to Nutters in Briercliffe

Sue



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Reply author: melteaser
Date: 02/07/2005 14:02:54
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The last one was so hectic that we thought we need another! We did have an earthquake while we were there.I also went on a banana boat, did lots of swimming (well actually I sat in a tyre and floated round the lazy river with a cocktail in hand) and of course there was the walking (to and from the restaurant at mealtimes!)

This hoiday is to the Lot valley in France. One of our friends out there is 60 on Monday so we are going to have a bit of knees up. We only decided to go a couple of days ago.



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Reply author: Stanley
Date: 02/07/2005 15:39:10
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Abel Taylor farmed at Green Bank not Brown House. He was there during the war and the 50s, I used to haytime there. Margaret Taylor, Abel and Maude's daughter had Foster's Arms in Barlick, is now retired and tells me that Abel inherited the farm off his father Alwyn Taylor. Abel's full name was William Abel. Margaret's grandfather had Wheathead, her grandma was called Bessie. They were Hargreaves of course. Maude was a Hargreaves.

Stansfield is the name of the man who built Blacko Tower of course, it's proper name is Stansfield's Tower.



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Reply author: BarrowfordJohn
Date: 02/07/2005 19:03:55
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Right on Stanley.
A touch on Jonathan Stansfield and Blacko Tower:-

Jonathan Stansfield built Blacko Tower around 1890 upon his own land. In the "Annals of Barrowford" Jesse Blakey states that Jonathan Stansfield bought Old House Farm and One Tree Farms in later life and that he built Blacko Tower on land belonging to the latter. This seems to be wrong to me, as far as I know One Tree Farm (at the base of Pendle Hill) is the only one of this name in the area - I am willing to stand corrected if anyone knows better!

In the later 19th century, following his purchase of Old House Farm, it would appear that Stansfield renamed the building as Stansfield's House. The farm is now called Blacko Tower Farm. He also built a number of properties in Barrowford in the earlier 19thc, many around the Old Row.

Stansfield had delved into many small business ventures throughout the mid-19th century - he tried running the Old Mill in Barrowford Park but lost money. He took over his father's former beer shop in David Street, and ran it as a successful grocery and general provision stores. This brought in enough money for him to eventually purchase the two farms aforementioned.

The standard reason given for Stansfield building Blacko Tower is that this would enable him to see into his native Ribblesdale. This, to my mind at least, is utter tosh! He was born in Colne for a start. He is said to have told an enquirer that "I have never smoked or drunk in my life so I am doing this."

Personally I think that he had the tower built as a matter of ego and self-gratification. He would be well aware of the legend of the Lancashire Witches ,where Malkin Tower was a central theme - in this Victorian era the legend had gained new credence through the writings of W.H Ainsworth, the erection of the tower was possibly a romantic gesture. The building of this structure can also be seen as a male stamping authority on the landscape, this happened with Telford and Clayton's Tower in Shropshire etc;.

There is also the consideration that the tower could be seen as piercing the landscape of Mother Earth ie; a phallic symbol. The structure appears to be a hobbyist's idea of a lookout (Peel) tower - in other words a pseudo-defensive folly of no earthly use to anyone other than the decorative landmark that we know and love!

What is certain is that Stansfield would be aware that the tower would dominate the landscape for miles around and would serve as a personal memorial to himself for a long time to come

Jonathan Stansfield died in 1894 at the age of 71


FOLLOWING IS AN EXTRACT FROM THE 1881 CENSUS:

Dwelling: Back St John St
Census Place: Barrowford Booth, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341998 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4165 Folio 103 Page 35
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Jonathan STANSFIELD M 58 M Colne, Lancashire, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Grocer & Draper
Ellen STANSFIELD M 56 F Marsden, Lancashire, England
Rel: Wife
Occ: Domestic Assistant
Willie STANSFIELD U 24 M Barrowford, Lancashire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Labourer
Mary STANSFIELD U 22 F Barrowford, Lancashire, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Grocers Assistant
David STANSFIELD U 21 M Barrowford, Lancashire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Grocers Assistant
James STANSFIELD U 17 M Barrowford, Lancashire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Carter
Sarah STANSFIELD 14 F Barrowford, Lancashire, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Domestic Assistant
Clara STANSFIELD 1 F Barrowford, Lancashire, England
Rel: G Daur









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Reply author: Lyne
Date: 03/07/2005 06:45:11
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To Stanley, John, Sue and Mel, many thanks for your input but I need to do heaps more research to be up to your more advanced level. I just thought a name may connect with someone reading through and it may still do. Just wish I had listened to my Grandmother when she was talking about these things.

I have looked at the 1901 census and Henry Taylor was living with his family at 4 Calder View Barrowford he was a gas stoker age 44 at the time and must have been saving up hard to buy his farm; In the 1891 census he was a coal dealer and the family were at 156 Gisburn Rd he must have had his sights set then. The only direct indication I have of the time he would have owned the farm is approx 1916-18 when my g/father Richard James Taylor went to war apparently his father Henry was dead by then and he really could have just stayed and run the farm but he did his duty instead.

Barrowford John, I saw that census entry on the Stansfields but I don't know yet if that is the right family for a match as Mary Jane Taylor's husband she is 18yrs and still living with her parents on the 1901 census. Very interesting piece about the tower.

Henry's brother Tobias Taylor was of the same hard working mould, unmarried as a hind on a farm in 1901 age 26 and saving up to buy to buy Crowtrees farm.

Their father Richard Taylor was at Higher Grey Stones Roughlee Booth as a farmer in the 1891 census.

The Taylors were offcomers(is that the correct phrase) they came to Pendle from Kellet, Torriholme, Skerton and Arkholme from 1881 on.

My grandmother was Mary Dawson, her father's family came from Cowling some time around 1860 on.

Mary's grandparents John & Sarah appear on the 1881 census with their family at 14 Ann St. Great and Little Marsden . Then with their daughter Martha, her husband Fredrick Dodgeson, their son and Mary's oldest brother Charles Dawson at 12 Queen's St on the 1891 census.

Unfortunately Mary Dawson's father, John Dawson, liked a drink and his wife Alice Hartley had 8 children and not an easy life. Alice Hartley's father was George Hartley and her mother was Mary Hargreaves they were married in 1849 in St. Mary's Newchurch, George Hartley's father 's name is on his marriage entry which is hard to read but which looks like John Hird, occ. weaver. Mary and George had 6 girls and George died in 1864. Mary Hartley is on the 1871 census as a widow, at Upper Houses Wheatley living next to her Father William Hargreaves farmer of 20 acres. Mary remarries in 1867 to Hartley Smith who must be a widower as he brings a daughter to the marriage and they have 3 more children. They are on the 1881 census at Reedley Hallows with the family taking the name Smith with another child Dinah Smith age 18. Then on the 1891 census at 9 Claremont St. Briarfield there is only Mary and Hartley Smith's youngest children, Selina Smith 23, Ada Smith 21 & William Smith 18 alone.

The rest of the names are connected to my Grandmothers siblings and their children.





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Reply author: Lyne
Date: 03/07/2005 07:00:35
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Pardon my mistakes I have George Hartley's death date wrong obviously and Mary Hartley appears on the 1861 census as a widow not 1871.


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Reply author: BarrowfordJohn
Date: 03/07/2005 10:35:18
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Lyne, you have made a good start. The obvious families to follow in this area are the Hartleys and Hargreaves - there will be a lot of information around. There was still a family of Hartleys on Queen Street in the late 20th c - as far as I know they are still there.

A family of Taylors lived near us in Barrowford when I was growing up, I think that the father came from farming stock, the son, Geoff, now lives in Blacko.



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Reply author: Lyne
Date: 03/07/2005 23:07:32
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John, thanks for your encouragement and input. Yes I am very interested in finding my Hartleys, Hargreaves and George's Hartley's father John Hird.

I was in Barrowford last year, unfortunately only for a night and a day so was racing around like a headless chook looking at all the places the family lived, the graveyards, etc. I was with two of my daughters who were too young to appreciate the experience of family history so had to leave too soon. I thought Barrowford was delightful, I loved every moment of being there and will never forget the place.
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Lyne
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Posted - 30/08/2008 : 05:05
Hi, I am looking for the street my father was born in, Smith st, Has there ever been a Smith St in Barrowford in 1918? I have found one in Nelson or is that Brierfield? 


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Lyne
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Posted - 09/05/2011 : 04:21
The farm Henry Taylor owned was Whitty Croft farm, 1911 census.  His brother Tobias TAYLOR  (born 1875 Beetham, Westmorland, died Oct 1943 Barrowford married Sarah NUTTER) may not have owned Crowtrees but was the farmer there during the 1920s and maybe before.


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Stanley
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Posted - 09/05/2011 : 07:30


The only thing I know about Crowtrees in Higherford is that in 1895 when this pic of the Calf Hall Directors was taken, it was owned by a man called Atkinson, he was an architect with an office in Colne.


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belle
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Posted - 09/05/2011 : 23:53
Lyn definitely a smith Street in Nelson.


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wendyf
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Posted - 11/05/2011 : 14:22
I have been looking at Doreen Crowther's index to Pendle Deeds in Colne Library. There are a number of references to the Whittycroft and Crowtrees Estates and it seems they were linked through the Grimshaw family who owned both estates at one time. I also kept an eye open for references to Taylors and Stansfields.
Three cottages on Gisburn Road, Higherford (162, 164 and 166) were inherited in 1879 by Sarah Bracewell of Whittycroft, from her aunt Harriett Grimshaw.
Sarah Bracewell born 1820 was the descendant of Mary and William Bracewell. Mary & Harriett were daughters of Thomas & Grace Grimshaw of Crowtrees. Mary married William Bracewell of Coates, Barnoldswick,
 The cottages were sold by Anne (or Anna) Bracewell in 1903. The conveyance mentions Mary Taylor as a tenant. In a 1905 conveyance Tobias Taylor is a tenant.

Grace & Thomas Grimshaw lived at Crowtrees. Grace inherited the estate from her uncle Christopher Bulcock who died in 1805

From deeds for Croft House Higherford.
Croft House was originally 6 cottages, part of the Whittycroft Estate. recently erected in 1825 by William Bracewell of Coates, Barnoldswick
"One or some of them were occupied by the Stansfield family."

Whitty Croft Estate
From a document in the record office, Preston. A schedule of several deeds & writings affecting the two estates at Barrowford, Whitty Croft and Crowtrees, both in mortgage to Mrs Elizabeth Birdsworth for securing £2,500 with interest.
Thomas Grimshaw owned both estates in 1808.
 In 1825 they were mortgaged to finance the building of Higherford Mill.
29 December 1825 mortgage document states, "All that dwelling house called Whittycroft with the 6 cottages or dwellings lately erected there and the several closes of land of 22 acres or thereabouts.......now in the tenancy of William Bracewell.

Sorry that none of the deeds recorded go much beyond the turn of the century, so I couldnt find out any more. It looks from the deeds of the cottages on Gisburn Road as if our last known owner of Whittycroft was Anne (or Anna) Bracewell.

There is a topic about the Grimshaw family  on the site which is from a Doreen Crowther history of the family.

Edited by - wendyf on 11/05/2011 2:43:42 PM

Edited by - wendyf on 11/05/2011 5:14:09 PM


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Posted - 11/05/2011 : 15:14
Yes, Smith Street runs down either side of lower Barkerhouse Road, just above the former Old Brass Band Club, beside and opposite the chippie.
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Stanley
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Posted - 12/05/2011 : 07:11
Wendy, please remind me of the name of the house where Doreen lived.


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Posted - 12/05/2011 : 07:46
Sorry Stanley, I know very little about Doreen Crowther, except that she did an incredible amount of work on local history. I will ask Christine Bradley next week.


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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 05:21
Many thanks to you all for your contributions.   Especially your contribution Wendy,  thank you for looking up Crowtrees and Whitty Croft farm that is very helpful to me.    I have read several times Doreen Crowther's account of the Grimshaw family.   Well I have it from Mary Taylor my grandmother that Whitty Croft farm was owned by Henry Taylor and he is there on the 1911 census with his wife Mary Taylor (nee Altham), Mary Jane Stansfield (his dau) and her Husband James Standfield.  Richard Taylor and Mary Taylor (nee Dawson) are in  Whitty Croft cottage 1911 census.


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Stanley
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Posted - 17/05/2011 : 06:09
Doreen was lovely and gave me lots of help. Right to the end her brain was sharp as a razor. She was poorly when we sat down together in her house at Higherford and between us teased out the names on the 1580 map of Whitemoor but her brain was in fine fettle. I once mentioned to her that I was reseaching watermills and a fortnight later a file landed on my desk, she had gone through all her research and pulled out ever watermill reference she had, all written in her tiny but perfectly legible handwriting. She always said she wasn't a historian, just an obsessive researcher. That's as maybe, she was certainly a wonderful asset and I shall sing her praises whenever I get the chance. A lovely and generous lady.


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