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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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belle
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Posted - 30/03/2011 : 13:29
Herb, you seem to be unable to believe what I say, the govt here said it was not simple, they refused to do it, (though it may be that whilst they don't mind antagonising the welfare assisted they fear to upset the bourgoisee). As to your last sentence the logic of it escapes me, Frank and you complained about the stupidity (am i allowed to use that word?) of giving freebies like bus passes to those who don't need them, I suggest those who are receiving this benefit can pay back into the system in other ways (the big society?), and you reply :
"What you suggest if encouraged would carry to all other forms of taxation and benefits...let the people decide if they want the benefit?"



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Bradders
Senior Member


1880 Posts
Posted - 30/03/2011 : 18:37
Frank , I thought I'd dealt with your ridiculous assertion about the National Insurance Scheme some time ago , but you seem to have forgotten what I said.......so I wil repeat it as simply as I can.

A so called Ponzi scheme is , by definition,  illegal.

Our National Insurance arrangements are not  illegal .......Q.E.D.

Whether our system eventually breaks down or not  (which , I believe it won't) .... it CANNOT be described as a Ponzi ...........

PS  ...and here's an open question ....(seriously)

Is there anyone else out  there, who agrees with Frank's "Ponzi Theory " ?......

If so . do you have a convincing arguement ?



 

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frankwilk
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Posted - 30/03/2011 : 22:26
Just for you Bradders

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/dominic_lawson/article5780663.ece



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frankwilk
Senior Member


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Posted - 30/03/2011 : 22:38
I really don't belive I am a nut living in my own world. I recall a post by Calluna a few weks ago with regards to Airdale Hospital treatment was not first class (sorry if I have that wrong) but no cuts have taken place as yet. So why did she feel it had gone down ? was it a perception ? I don't know, but I wish we would all start to pull together and get this great country back on track, and a start would be living within our means.



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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


2021 Posts
Posted - 30/03/2011 : 23:35
Exactly Shipmate!!


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belle
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Posted - 30/03/2011 : 23:43
Frank you have moved the goalposts we weren't talking about the standards in hospitals, but now I realise that for you it is all part of the same argument because of your political beliefs, so for you welfare issues, debt issues, sliding standards in hospital cleanliness are all just a symptom of having been under a Labour Govt, and you believe that now the Tory party is in power everything will be magically turned back to Britain in 1950's, with trains running on time, ex army officers heading up services, ex private soldiers, used to taking orders, doing the donkey work without complaining, a tight run ship? No i don't think you are alone in believing this, and I wish all of you who believe it the very best of luck.


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Bradders
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Posted - 31/03/2011 : 01:11


quote:
frankwilk wrote:
Just for you Bradders

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/dominic_lawson/article5780663.ece

Brilliant Frank !  So you read an article in the Sunday Times in Feb 2009 , took it on board , and haven't stopped banging on about it since......(Yes it's Tory, and published on a Sunday , but  it's not the bible.)

Did you notice that in the second paragraph it says "...has remarkable affinity with a ponzi mechanism "........

Quite cleverly Dominic Lawson (and his editor , no doubt) was careful not to make your mistake of accusing the government of acting illegally........

He actually goes on to say in paragraph  nine/ten , that the scheme is billions of pounds in credit ,and that ,with care , it is sustainable for the near future.

Or is that just my "sunny"  interpretation  of a bit of provocative (old) nonsense .?

 



 

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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 31/03/2011 : 04:48
"Don't give me the c***  that everything is well in your World and it is Frank's which is wrong, because it's not.

Barlick isn't at all like Frankworld, don't ignore the 95%+ of services that run well. As for cash, funny that there was enough to throw £1trillion at the banks and run wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. Could the prorities be wrong?


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frankwilk
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Posted - 31/03/2011 : 08:54
Bradders I have never said it is illegal all I have ever said is that it is a Ponzi Scheme. It relies on more people joining, to pay out to the Pensioners who are drawing money out, it really is simple.
It is a classic Ponzi Scheme which will need to be overhailed or it will collapse. Just wait until NI and Income Tax are collected as one percentage of salary, thats when a lot of people who are paying in will start to rebel. It may be 10 or 15 years away, but it will come as less and less people pay in and the Expectations of the Pensioners Increase. What are the words of that song " I see Trouble Ahead" if you don't you are a very misguided person.



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frankwilk
Senior Member


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Posted - 31/03/2011 : 08:59
So we just need to stand by and watch the people of Benghazi  slaughtered ?? What was your answer to that  ??
Iraq was on the same lines if you weren't Sunni you had nothing, remember the gassing of the Kurds ??  I am not defending the War but I could see a reason for it.
We have made mistakes in Libya, but the alternative was ??



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Bruff
Regular Member


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Posted - 31/03/2011 : 09:39
If public policy was made on the basis of anecdote and individual one-off experiences, then we would be in a terrible pickle.  My commuter train home last week was delayed by half and hour, a right pain in the neck.  It was of course, the first time this service (which I use every day) had a delay for nearly 3 weeks.  Now I know I'm a bit odd, but had I just happened to get on this train, not normally commuting, I wouldn't conclude Merseyrail is a shambles on the basis of this delay.

 
You know, there is a paradox here with all the chat about failing this, failing that.  A vaste swathe of public bodies - Government Agencies, Quangos, Commissions, Councils etc etc - has emerged because of the population constantly and increasingly wanting reassurance on this, a solution to that, and an explanation of the other.

 
Richard Broughton  



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catgate
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Posted - 31/03/2011 : 11:04


quote:
Bruff wrote:

You know, there is a paradox here with all the chat about failing this, failing that.  A vaste swathe of public bodies - Government Agencies, Quangos, Commissions, Councils etc etc - has emerged because of the population constantly and increasingly wanting reassurance on this, a solution to that, and an explanation of the other.

 
Richard Broughton  

I am of the opinion that you have put your finger on one of the basic reasons for our current plight.

Everything which is constructed needs a good firm foundation. If its foundation is weak or flawed then it will eventually begin to show signs of malfunction or collapse. At this point it should be demolished and rebuilt on a proper foundation. Insted we have ended up with all the things you mention above, because rebuilding would need the acceptance of a whole catalogue of previous malpractices. It is much easier to form a new committee/body to look into things and fill that committee/body with well rewarded puppets. Puppets which will come up with a variety of placebos and mesmerisms, whilst creating oportunities to make things even worse. A good example of this "improvement" is the charade of the Alternative Voting system....a system concieved to remove "competition".


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handlamp
Senior Member


1100 Posts
Posted - 31/03/2011 : 14:43
Frank, can we have an `e' in Airedale please?


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frankwilk
Senior Member


3975 Posts
Posted - 31/03/2011 : 14:45
Was not so long ago Stanley you called for the scrapping of LCC now would that not be a Public Service cut ??



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frankwilk
Senior Member


3975 Posts
Posted - 31/03/2011 : 14:56
Belle
Am I so wrong  in wanting things to run better ??
 I want Value for Money, and yes I do see the Conservatives delivering that so much better than a Labour/Socialist Goverment. Just look at the last one. A bloated Public Sector will never make things run better, because they move into a Control Mode, taking things off you and them making you feel grateful when they give you a little bit back. 
But don't lose sight of I only want it to be better how we get there is the debate !!



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