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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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Tizer
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Posted - 21/12/2010 : 10:51
Belle, I didn't say that obesity is "the biggest problem the NHS faces" but I did mention it because it is a major contributor increasing risk of the diseases that most affect health nowadays - heart disease, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and ostearthritis. Treating obesity is itself expensive but more importantly it leads to much greater expenditure on these major diseases. I've had plenty of opportunity to talk to doctors and nurses recently and they see obesity as one of the their biggest challenges.

Listened to Julian Assange (Mr Wikileaks) being interviewed this morning. He comes over as a hypocrite who wants to promote himself and his Wikileaks yet believes no-one else should be able to expose his own secrets.

An interesting article by Patrick Hoskings in the business pages of the The Times on the weekend. John Varley, head of Barclays, is leaving the company on 1st January, conveniently in time to avoid the flak that will be flying about over the bank bonuses. But more interesting is Hoskings' comments on the attempted takeover of ABN Amro by Varley and Barclays which was beaten by Fred the Shred and RBS. The Amro purchase sank RBS, and Fred has been criticised for purchasing such a basket case. Hoskings points out that as a predator RBS was able to do due diligence on Amro whereas Barclays as a friendly purchaser did have access to do the diligence, so Barclays were pressing ahead with their attempt to buy Amro even though they had the information showing what a terrible state it was in.

Another fact caught my eye. Some of the British banks bent over backwards to lend to Irish property developers in the early years of this decade and are now badly `exposed' - 80% of the Irish property developers have gone bust.


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Stanley
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Posted - 21/12/2010 : 11:24
Stop it Tiz! You'll spoil Christmas! I heard JA as well and got exactly the same impression. However, did we really need an in-depth interview? Perhaps they've got fed up with Heathrow.


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HerbSG
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Posted - 21/12/2010 : 11:34
Stanley, again I have to rise on a point of personal preference...accountants do not make decisions, they are simply the messengers...the idiots you/we elect make the decisions.  How does it go.."don't shoot the messengers". 


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belle
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Posted - 21/12/2010 : 11:59
I am sure what you say is true Tizer in terms of this what health officials feel. Is it only me that notices this alarm and hysteria and sheep stampeding..there is always some fashion or other some bandwagon for everyone to jump on, ... I am sure there is as much troube with those who are underweight, and those who take recreational drugs but "Fattism" is very much in so I guess those of us on the portly side will just have to put up with all this negativity being heaped upon us!


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catgate
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Posted - 21/12/2010 : 12:34


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Stanley wrote:
Just heard Ronnie Renald whistling in Adelaide! He's still alive!

You must have exceptionally  good hearing for an old 'un.

 

 Tizer

Belle, I didn't say that obesity is "the biggest problem the NHS faces" but I did mention it because it is a major contributor increasing risk of the diseases that most affect health nowadays - heart disease.......

That is some thing we hear a lot about...heart disease. But what about knee disease or lung disease, buttock disease or ear disease? No one ever mentions these. 


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frankwilk
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Posted - 21/12/2010 : 20:05
"and no money changed hands" But sure as hell Stanley it Wasn't Free. Someone has paid, and someone has  been paid a lot of money for it.

 If you note in my post I never said anything about Care when I said the monster (NHS) Eats Money and will continue to do so. It is unsustainable in it's present form, if you can't see that I am at a loss for words. Drs have a vested interest to maintain the status quo in the NHS, after all it is a gravy train. The BMA is just a trade union for Drs, hence no Dr is on a salary of under £100000 a year in Scotland, so I would expect the same for England. Oh and they don't do home call outs unless it is in surgery hours. Like Bankers they milk the system for what they can, and operate a system of hours that suit them, rather than the customer aka the fund provider (You and Me) sorry but Drs are another group of people who can't be believed

ps I have had some Excellent treatment under the NHS and some Second rate treatment as well.

Edited by - frankwilk on 21/12/2010 8:51:34 PM



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Stanley
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 04:55
Herb, sorry, techically you are right but economics rules politics. The bean counters are Lord of the Universe and have been for a long time. Who do you think gives the politicians the economic advice?

Talked to young Harry yesterday and he says there is hardly any snow in Derbyshire but he's enjoying the cold wearing three pairs of trousers!

Frank, of course we pay. But, the point is that no money changed hands, I didn't have to pay anything out of income. That's why I said no money changed hands. Dead accurate!


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HerbSG
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 07:31
Stanley you have it  bassackwards, as a bean counter (professional accountant to some) I again point out that accountants are the messengers.  We may provide various scenarios or models, based on numerical fact (HISTORICAL data) decisions on which model to follow are made by beauracrats , they are often swayed by economists or simple poll results.  I would think that you would be hard pressed to find a government decision made by an accountant.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 08:59
Sorry Stanley need to clear this up "no money changed hands"  when you made the appointment is the moment money changed hands, may be not your hand, but sure as anything the Dr had his/her hand out to receive Money.
Look up Ponzi that is what the NHS really is, and when more is drawn out, than put in it will collapse. Or the treatment will not be so good, or rationing will be come the norm. The next to collapse will be the State Pension Scheme, Welfare benefits are now starting to be hauled back. Looks like we are all going back to a time when expectations have to be a lot more realistic than they are currently !!!! Clear the parlour folks Granny or Grandad are coming back(if they are in care) or the Children will move in when they marry. If you have a spare room to rent you may have a new married couple wanting to rent it, that's how my parents started out.



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catgate
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 11:26
I can see that there are still a number of people who do not yet understand what money really is.

http://realitymoney.page.tl/So-whose-money-is-it-anyway-f-.htm  may help, if you try.

 

Edited by - catgate on 22/12/2010 11:28:39 AM


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Tizer
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 11:40
""Fattism" is very much in so I guess those of us on the portly side will just have to put up with all this negativity being heaped upon us!"

Belle, stop acting up as a victim, it doesn't suit you, you're far more sensible than that!  Smile  If you are `on the portly side' then you are in good health and better prepared for a cold winter than a bony type like me who would have perished a century ago. Portly is at least as normal and healthy as my skinny body. The only `fattism' is in the minds of TV producers, film-makers, magazine editors and the like - but unfortunately, as in many other things, those people seem to exert undue influence.

When I write about obesity I mean obesity, not simply `overweight', and especially not portly, stout, rotund or any other of those quite healthy and normal body shapes that human beings are born with, being naturally made and not sold by Tesco. The obese people that are worrying medical researchers are people who have become grossly overweight, far above their `normal' weight (above what they were born to be, so to speak) because they eat far too much and won't change their eating habits (known technically as `morbid obesity'). These are the people who end up having their stomachs stapled or bypassed - if they don't they will soon be unable to move under their own power and will die very early. Unfortunately the group now includes young children who fit this description and are in this state for the same reasons.

I don't know who is `heaping the negativity on you' Belle but I don't intend to do so.


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Bradders
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 13:01
"Look up Ponzi that is what the NHS really is....."

FRANK .....Utter B*ll*cks , as usual. You might as well say that about all Government Finances.......

This, coming on top of slagging off  Doctors in Scotland because they ALL earn £100,000 , while milking the system (but only during "office hours" ).....I DON'T THINK SO !

Of the large numbers of visitors to this site , there are bound to be a few medics out there who would  have an opinion on your rantings......

Perhaps one or two of them might  care to join us ....... eh!

 

 

 

Edited by - Bradders on 22/12/2010 1:02:50 PM


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HerbSG
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 13:28
3 cheers for the Australian PM, could we borrow her when her term is up?


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belle
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 16:00
Tizer I have said lots on this subject before on here, many people are under the impression that obese people are that way because they eat non stop, whilst it may be true for some it is not true for many, which is why all these TV progs where they put folk on islands, in castles etc starve them and make them exercise, do little or no good at all. The NHs would do well to treat overweight in the same way as they do underweight , seeing it as a symptom of some underlying disorder, of body or mind rather than making assumptions that gluttony is the cause. I do not see myself as a victim, I am perfectly aware that my size has got nothing to do with my food intake; it is partly genetic, partly a symptom of other health problems, but if you have ever been on the receiving end of the sort of comments you get when overweight it does get very waring, like anyone else with a problem, overweight people should be able to turn for help to a health proffessional with out having judgements made about them. I find comments like "they eat too much and won't change their eating habits" small minded and prejudiced.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 22/12/2010 : 16:50
Bradder please look up Ponzi. That is what the National Insurance scheme is, a scheme whereby people pay in with a promise of something for them later. Pretty simple really I thought anyone with an ounce of sense could understand that !!!!
If that is not the case please explain what it is.All Goverment finance is not on that basis, they can stop paying out on loads of things but the NHS and Pensions are not an option.
 With regards to this Utter B*ll*cks
I didn't know I had asked YOU what was keeping your ears apart, but thanks for the reply now I know.
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