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Sandy46
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Hubby and me recently watched a short documentary series on the current submarine's deployment in the Med and on through Suez to the Arab states etc. It was of special interest to me as my Uncle Maurice (Maurice Ormerod) was part of the crew of the original Turbulent which was depth charged in the Med in 1943, and was destroyed with the loss of all hands. My Uncle was my Dad's younger brother and only 23 at the time, I never knew him as this was before I was born, but when the present Turbulent passed over the spot where it's namesake was lost, the sub's compliment held a memorial service and tossed a wreath of poppies into the sea and I found this extremely emotional and moving.
Sandy.
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colsack
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Posted - 05/10/2011 : 12:29
My dad also served on T class submarines during the war, "HMS Truant" being one of them in the Med and the far East. Luckily, he lived to tell the tale. Could be possible he knew your uncle?
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Posted - 05/10/2011 : 22:39
Colsack, I guess there's every chance your Dad and my Uncle may have known each other, either on active duty or during training. Unfortunately, it's unlikely we'll ever find out, I have no-one left to ask, and military archives are somewhat restricted and difficult to access. I have an account with a genealogy site and if you wish, I could do a search on your Dad's war record, but I won't be able to guarantee results. Of course I would need to know your Dad's name and rating etc., but If you are reluctant to divulge this info to me, it's ok, I fully understand. Just out of curiosity, however, are your family Barlickers?
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Stanley
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 05:53
Submarines fascinate me, I'll never miss a showing of Das Boot or The Hunt for Red October if they are on the telly. Red October interests me particularly because the sytem of battle space managemet they use in the film by listening to soumd is authentic. Daughter Janet and her late husband Harry Protoolis were major players in developing the system. Look up NASNET on the web. They both worked for Nautronics (LINK), the NASNET system is a spin off for oil field exploration and positioning derived from their work for the military and Harry was the bloke who first gave the cause of the loss of the Kursk using the sound recognition technology. The sound signature he matched the Kursk data to was a recording of exactly the same accident on a Royal Navy sub when we were experimenting with Peroxide fuelled torpedoes. Luckily we had the sense to ditch the technology but the Russians were trying it again and hit the same problem. Fascinating stuff. If these things interest you look at this LINK and then look at SMIT TAK the Dutch salvage form who raised the Kursk.
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 05:55
PS. Look at this LINK for Truant.
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colsack
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 09:35
Sandy, im'e sure you can get family submariner war records from the submarine museeum in Gosport, the former HMS Dolphin submarine base where your uncle undoubtably spent some time. My Dad was not from Barlick but not so far away, Connisbrough in Yorkshire. Heres a link to Turbulent http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?16176
Thanks for that link Stanley. I agree, "Das Boot" is one of my all time favourites, the most authentic Second World War submarine film ever made.
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 09:51
Sandy, theres a book, "HMS Dolphin: Gosports Submarine Base" by Keith Hall. You can get it from Amazon and i think Ebay for about a tenner. Theres some old photo's of submariners from the war years, and it's a interesting read.
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 23:01
Stanley & colsack, thankyou both for the links. Absolutely fascinating!
I have to agree with both of you, Das Boot is a great fave with hubby and me too !
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Stanley
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Posted - 07/10/2011 : 05:42
Harry told me a story about some US admirals visiting to see a demonstration of progress on the project. They had to hide a lot of stuff because their security clearance was higher than the admirals! Years later when Janet was put in charge of a government project in W Australia they had to check her for seccurity which usually took some weeks. After about a day they got back to J and asked if there was something she hadn't told them. No problems with clearance after that! They found she was a far higher level than they were!
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Posted - 07/10/2011 : 23:33
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Harry told me a story about some US admirals visiting to see a demonstration of progress on the project. They had to hide a lot of stuff because their security clearance was higher than the admirals! Years later when Janet was put in charge of a government project in W Australia they had to check her for seccurity which usually took some weeks. After about a day they got back to J and asked if there was something she hadn't told them. No problems with clearance after that! They found she was a far higher level than they were!And I guess, earned the respect she deserved Stanley. You must be so proud of your lass and her late hubby. About the Kursk, we all know the Ruskies have always been very 'sensitive' concerning their security, but I suspect that maybe there was also an element of embarrassment in their reluctance to allow outside help in, considering they were using such a potentially lethal torpedo fuel. Maybe those guys' lives could have been saved if help had been accepted sooner, then all they would have suffered would have been red faces!
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Stanley
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Posted - 08/10/2011 : 03:59
You're right Sandy, she was working with the WA State Police to completely overhaul their most sensitive and secure systems. It was an extremely male-oriented situation but after some initial attempts to curb her they realised they were up against a major force! Then they realised how well she was doing the job and tried to ghet her to stay but she had more sense. Harry was a brilliant engineer and a lovely bloke, we still miss him.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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