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Stanley
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Posted -  12/10/2010  :  09:01
The small conical emitters are being installed on the lamp posts in Skipton Road. No news from Mrs Trelliss. Only good thing is that Turkey foil is on sale in the Cathedral of Chice. Bit thicker than usual brand. Good for lining beanies to block the transmissions.


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belle
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Posted - 23/11/2011 : 18:31
I love them too..remember that programme with David Bellamy and yon woman who ended up as DJ on radio 2..Sarah thingy..they did a bit about sprouts and how certain folk taste them differently..they als told you how to fix a hole in plaster board with toothpaste! Oh Magnus Pike was on it too!


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 02:49
Keeping an eye out down here for any sign of activity, but have not seen fresh sprouts for some months. Bags of frozen ones in the supermarkets though. Now what do you think THAT is all about? (are they capable of all coming to life at once, given the correct signal? What an adventurous thought...)
I guess it is getting to the time where we shall all be digging about in our cupboards to bring out our personal conical devices. I happened to mention that very fact to Febby only this morning....but I think he thought I was talking about something completely different because he gave me the strangest look, and then hurried out the front door to work as if he couldnt wait to get there...

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Stanley
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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 03:28
It may be the time to bring my article about the origin of the Xmas Tree to the fore.....


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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 03:34
More to the point, is it not time to work out who thought brussel sprouts were edible in the first instance!


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 03:40
ORIGIN OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE

One more Christmas story and I'll leave you to mend! I was asked the other day whether I had a Christmas Tree and my reply was unprintable. I always liked Christmas Trees until I found out that I had been subjected to manipulation for years. I don't like manipulation and so I turned against the dreaded Yuletide Tree. Why?

We have to start with St Boniface, this wasn't his given name, he was born in 675 in Wessex, named Wynfrith and was educated by the Benedictines at Exeter and Nursling (between Winchester and Southampton) They must have done a good job because he became a Benedictine monk, and was ordained a priest by the time he reached 30. Between 716 and 722 he made two attempts to evangelise the Frisian Saxons but was repulsed by their king, Radbod. Frisia was an ancient region of Germany and the Netherlands that lay between the mouths of the Rhine and the Ems. He returned to England to find he had been elected abbot in his absence but declined the post as he wanted to pursue a career as a missionary. He travelled to Rome where Pope Gregory gave him the task of converting the pagans to the east of the Rhine and changed his name to Boniface. Radbod had died by this time so Boniface went to Frisia to help Bishop Willibrord convert the Frisians and in 722 he went to Hesse and founded a Benedictine monastery as a base camp.

He was called to Rome and the Pope made him a missionary bishop and introduced him to Charles Martel who's protection was essential to his mission. Martel (The Hammer) was Mayor of the place of Austrasia and in effect became the ruler of the Frankish kingdom, roughly equating to modern France. The story goes that when Boniface arrived at Geismar he found the Pagans worshipping Thor under a sacred oak tree where they made human sacrifices. His solution to this was, to say the least, direct. He cut the oak down and replaced it with a fir tree which grew, miraculously at a great pace. He told the pagans that the triangular shape of the tree was to remind them of the three points of the Trinity. This symbol was gradually accepted by the pagans and eventually became a universal symbol of Christmas in what became Germany.

We move on rapidly to George IV in England, leaving Boniface to come to a sticky end at the hands of the Frisians and become a martyr of the church. George IV brought the Germanic symbol of Christmas to England but it never took hold outside the royal family and its sycophants because of the unpopularity of the monarchy. It wasn't until Queen Victoria's husband Prince Albert re-introduced the custom that it took hold in England. From then on it became the universal symbol of Christmas it is today. Some scholars have opined that it was Albert who introduced the concept of candles on the tree to represent the light of Christianity, others point out that the baubles are probably a vestigial representation of the human sacrifices made under the oak of Thor.

So, what have we got? A pagan symbol stolen by the church to reinforce the brainwashing of the Germanic pagans, used again by a German monarchy to cement its place in a foreign country. If you read the history and believe it, it reminds you of human sacrifice, religious domination and monarchical social engineering. So, sorry, no Christmas tree for me. Mind you, I'm not consistent, I wear the kilt and that's a Victorian con trick as well. I have feet of clay......

SCG/Sunday, 17 December 2000


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 03:52
No connection with the baubles on the christmas tree and your kilt.....


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 06:04
Wash your mouth out Jules!


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 07:36
Coffee done the job!


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 07:46
Isn't it time you went to work?


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 08:27
Holiday... Well, Housework, take daughter to Heathrow, more housework, Filing, sorting family history, more housework.


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 10:41
If no work Julie why are you up at such an unearthly hour?


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Posted - 24/11/2011 : 15:32
Well put Stanley..but then if you look into many of the Christian symbols for easter or weddings etc you will see roots in paganism..some say that is because of St Paul's admonishon to "bring all things into captivity for Christ." other's because the early Roman church practiced the same tactic as the Roman empire had always done.. allowing other religious practices to be adopted into the empire as a whole in order to keep it's people sweet.


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Posted - 25/11/2011 : 04:44
Pope Gregory the Great sent a letter to the evangelists in the 6th C giving clear instructions about not destroying Pagan temples, only the idols and converting Pagan festivals to Christian festivals. However, even he didn't foresee the wholesale takeover of Christmas as an excuse to make profit!


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Posted - 25/11/2011 : 05:41
Daren't change ungodly hours for standard ones as getting back to ungodly hours produces a less than godly Jules. Grrrrrrr!!!!!!!  Mumble mumble.


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Posted - 25/11/2011 : 05:50
I know the feeling Jules. Never mind, you can be so much more productive early in the morning, fewer people under the feet!


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