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thomo
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Khaki in colour and sombre in content. "Cravens Part in the Great War", there will not have been many households in Barlick and what was then a much larger Craven Area, that did not have at least one copy of this book. In my immediate Family there would have been at least four and I still have two of them, albeit that one is with my son on Anglesey. Over the years I have seen them at jumble sales, in second hand shops and in piles of rubbish for disposal, even left behind when a house has been vacated. They will have turned up all over the place, I have come across them in Wales, the Isle of Wight and Hampshire, the two that I have belonged to my Father and Maternal Grandfather.
Many years ago I went through one of them from cover to cover noting those from Barlick who had given their lives in the service of King and Country, my notes are long gone so I am going to do it again, a few pages at a time, but this time I will include other local places within an approximate seven mile radius, Gisburn, Foulridge, Earby and so on. I will post my findings on here with the name, address and a precis of other details, as some are quite extensive, each name is to have the page number for my reference so that if anyone wants further information, I can soon find it. In a good number of cases there is a photograph, these I will copy and post in groups of ten at suitable intervals. In the book there are 391 pages so I will use a few abreviations hopefully all self explanatory, ie, KIA:- Killed in Action. MPD:- Missing presumed Dead. DOW:- Died as a result of Wounds, and one that is all too frequent, DFD:- Died from Disease or Illness.
One Man was responsible for the existance of these books and that was Mr, Walter Morrison Esq, JP of Malham Tarn who put forward the idea of the book and defrayed the entire cost.
There is quite a bit about the war itself up to page 50, including the Rohilla Tradgedy, then comes the dreadful list of those who did not come home, and so it is that on page 57 we find the first of Barlicks Sons, and is as follows:-
2nd Lieut Harry Thornton Pickles, 3rd Bn Duke of Wellington's (West Riding) Regiment (SR) second son of Mr Stephen Pickles JP, CC, Of Raysgill Barnoldswick KIA 26th April 1916 aged 26. P57.
In these first ten pages the extent of family loss is made very clear for it was in the Village of Carleton nr Skipton that this comes up:-
P53, Lieut. Anthony E.K. Slingsby, 1/6th Duke of Wellington's (WR) Regiment, Son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby Carla Beck Carleton. KIA France 14th July 1915. Aged 26.
P57, Captain Arthur Morris Slingsby, MC 56th Punjabi Rifles, 2nd son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby KIA 8th March 1916 in Mesopotamia. Aged 30.
P58. Lieut. Stephen Slingsby of HMS Defence, 4th son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby. KIA in North Sea June 1916. Aged 24.
This out of a total of five sons all serving.
Lothersdale is the next local Village with on P62. Lieut Alec Wilson, 1st Herefordshire Regiment, Son of Mr and Mrs F J Wilson JP of Lothersdale. KIA 26th March 1917 in Egypt.
P54, Lieut. The Hon, C. A. Lister Royal Marines, Hood Battalion, Only surviving son and heir of Lord Ribblesdale of Gisburne Park DOW 28th August 1915. Elder Brother killed in 1904 in Somaliland.
Greystones, Gisburn. Lieut. George Proctor, Lancs Fusiliers, only son of Mr and Mrs Thomas Proctor. KIA 7th April 1918 aged 24. P70.
Marton is on P73, Which Marton is not clear, 2nd Lieut, Joseph Bryan Bushby South Staffs Regiment, son of Mr and Mrs Joseph Bushby, Schoolhouse Farm Marton, DOW, 4th October 1918 aged 26.
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Travis
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Posted - 23/10/2011 : 21:15
Ian, if you can point me in the direction of the grave of Wilfred Anker in Ghyll I would be your Mate for life. I've looked at least a dozen times to locate his grave and have failed, miserably.
Andy.
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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt
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Posted - 23/10/2011 : 23:28
Many thanks Heather, Ian and Travis. I have been asked, "but why are you doing this"? and for just a little while, I nearly asked myself the same thing. But what is already on here is just a part of this topic and only covers the material from the book, there is much more to do yet. Today I noted all those Men from Barlick, and to date that is 225 from all walks of life, and of ages ranging from just 18 up to 49. The next task is to fill in all the missing information and this includes finding those who are not mentioned in the book. Hopefully by cross referencing I will be able to portray a more accurate picture of Barlicks part in that terrible war.
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Callunna
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Posted - 23/10/2011 : 23:51
Very valuable work, Peter.
One small omission, for example, is that David Walling was listed as the son of... etc but no mention that he was married.
Perhaps your work will rectify more of these inaccuracies as people come up with pieces of information that weren't available at the time the book was compiled.
Travis (Andy) is likely to be a useful source, as I know he's studied the subject in depth. (How are you doing, Andy lad? Long time no hear/see. Hope you're both well.) |
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Posted - 24/10/2011 : 09:32
Andy, I have not forgotten about Wilfred, just not found him yet. I will keep looking during my sweep. I understand that Wilfred died as a result of gas inhalation whilst in hospital at Keighley. I know he does not have a CWG headstone. I have mapped the cemetery and graveyard with reference to the position of the church and various paths. The grave numbers and rows only seem to work in parts of the site and can be very confusing. I will find him it's only a matter of time, when I do you will be the first to know.
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thomo
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Posted - 24/10/2011 : 14:59
This is going to be a somewhat lengthy exercise. I have just covered all surnames begining with"A" on multiple databases. In the book there were 8, on the war memorial there are 10, I now have 12, and there is a level of detail far in advance of that in the book. Service numbers, Mothers Maiden names and Place of burial are just a few examples. Second hard drive is now deployed.
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Posted - 24/10/2011 : 16:39
Thomo, does this other avenue of research show any more details for Wilfred Anker. I assume that burial place will just refer to the site rather than down to plot level. Andy has been searching for the plot for some time and I am keeping an eye out when I do my distribution. Any other relevant info as to burial details above what we already know would be appreciated.
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thomo
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Posted - 24/10/2011 : 17:28
Wilfred Anker is down as being in the "Undenominational" part of Ghyll Churchyard. The man to ask could be Shaun Bradley the monumental mason, thats the kind of information he couldnt work without. I will see if I can get hold of him tomorrow.
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Posted - 24/10/2011 : 19:09
Narrows it down somewhat now Peter, thanks for that. I currently deploy 19 crosses in the Undenominational section and most of those are quite well distributed across the whole area. At least I know now where not to look for Wilfred. Good point also about Shaun. Andy, looks like we are getting nearer.
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Posted - 25/10/2011 : 12:22
Just tried ringing Shaun and left him a message to call me. I am now flogging through a database on which there are 2,665 entries, I have done A,B,C & D and am now starting on E. Coming to light is better information in many cases to that given in the book, and more information about those victims of the Rohilla tradgedy. There are names appearing that are not on our war memorial and information throwing into doubt the validity of some that are. I would wish to complete my research by Rememberance Sunday but everything as to be cross reference and double checked, then I will start all over again looking through other close locations ie, Earby Salterforth etc. When I have had a word with Shaun I will post the result on here Ian.
Now for a test run to get info on here.
urname: ANKER
Forename(s): Wilfred
Place of Birth: Bacup, Lancashire
Residence: -----
Service No: L/9165
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Corps/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Battalion/Unit: -----
Division: division unknown
Age: 24
Date of Death: 1918-08-00
Awards: -----
CWGC Grave/Mem Ref: -----
CWGC Cemetery: -----
CWGC Memorial: -----
Non-CWGC Burial: BARNOLDSWICK, GILL UNDENOMINATIONAL BURIAL GROUND
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No entry in SD or CWGC - discharged soldier. 1901 Bacup, Lancashire Census: 20, Ernest Street - Wilfred Anker, aged 7 years, born Bacup, son of James and Mary Anker.
British Army WW1 Medal Rolls Index Cards: Gunner Wilfred Anker, L/9165, Royal Field Artillery.
Craven's Part in the Great War Entry:
GUNNER WILFRED ANKER, R.F.A., of Barnoldswick, died in Keighley hospital August, 1918, from the effect of gas poisoning. Aged 24 years.
West Yorkshire Pioneer Illustrated War Record Entry:
ARKER [ANKER], Gunner Wilfred, aged 24, R.F.A., Co-operative Street, [Barnoldswick], died Keighley Military Hospital.
Wow. it worked.
Edited by - thomo on 25/10/2011 11:48:59 PM
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Posted - 25/10/2011 : 19:56
Excellent Peter, I have a trip down to Warwick and back on Saturday to return grandchild but I may well have a sweep of the undenominational section on Sunday. I usually have a re-orientation walk round prior to replacing the remembrance crosses. When I am actually doing the job I find myself looking for the next on the list and not nescessarily taking full note of other monuments around me. I am determined to find this lad.
Can I ask which database you are using for the extended information or is it a combination of sources?
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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt
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Posted - 26/10/2011 : 00:00
Its the "Search Database" bit of the website for the Cravens part in The Great War book Ian which is itself culled from several sources, the link is in Cally's post on page 1.
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Posted - 26/10/2011 : 08:56
I see, thanks for that Peter. I am aquainted with the site. We went along and supplied Thomas Henry Hutchinson's details when they launched the site a few years ago. They had a drop in at Craven museum for anyone to contribute extra information on relatives lost in the conflict.
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Travis
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Posted - 26/10/2011 : 09:15
Hi Guys, back online with a new dongle.
Wilfred has always been of interest to me, I've got the same info from the same sources as Thomo on him. Its just his grave....I've looked several times, cant find him to pay my respects. A little bird told me he is buried in a shared grave and his name is on the side of the headstone and is in a poor state.
I have also done many tours of the battlegrounds of the Western Front and have photos of the vast majority of men from Barnoldswick who are buried or have their names on memorials out there. Some names from Salonika as well.
If anybody has a relative who died o the Western Front or Salonika (and Malta too, come to mention it) and would like a copy please feel free to pm me. Some photos were taken beore I went digital and may be a little grainy, some are even wax crayon rubbings from the Tyne Cot Memorial to the Missing!
Andy.
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thomo
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Posted - 26/10/2011 : 11:57
Another little bird has told me that Wilfred may not be buried at Ghyll at all, but at Keighley. I have a phone No. here that may help to clarify whether or not he his buried in Ghyll Cemetery, it is 661661 which should get you Pendle Council who, I understand have on computer all the names and locations for that cemetery. This morning I heard the book described as rubbish, that there are inaccuracies is true, but given when it was produced and the spirit in which it was given I find this to be unkind and uncalled for. I think it may be as well to clarify what I am trying to achieve. The first part is to commit to file any entry with a mention of Barlick however remote, hopefully then we can get a more accurate picture of Who, Where and When, I will then search the entire database again, double checking to ensure that nothing has been missed and at the same time including for a second file all information for the area surrounding Barlick. Now back to the search, this time entries beginning with "O".
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Posted - 26/10/2011 : 16:14
Article Date: 23 August 1918
Barnoldswick Fatalities
The death took place last week at Keighley Military Hospital of Gunner Wilfred Anker, formerly of the R.F.A. Deceased, who was, 24 years of age, and married, was the son of Mr. James Anker, 9, Co-operative Street, Barnoldswick. He left the army nearly two years ago, after being gassed in France, for which he was treated in Bournemouth Hospital, obtaining his final discharge in October last, and resumed his occupation as a twister at Messrs. B. and E.W. Holden's, Moss Shed. The effects of the poison gas had, however, not been eradicated and on the advice of a specialist he was re-admitted to hospital where he died ten days later. The funeral took place at Gill Cemetery on Saturday afternoon.
Copied from the West Yorkshire Pioneer.
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