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Rob07
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Thank you for allowing me here it looks a great site just joined tonight.
After 3 years of doing my family tree and nearly 2000 people on it I am hoping for some local information. The earliest confirmed Proctor I have is William b abt 1806 not sure exactly where born but local and resident in Lothersdale as a Blacksmith who married Sarah Pickles on the 4 Jan 1821.
After 4 children William, Edwin, Francis and the last being Moorhouse Proctor in 1833 shortly after the birth of Moorhouse Sarah sadly passed away.
I have found records for Moorhouse (with difficulty) with another family and the other children William, Edwin and Francis also with another family. William b 1824 moved to Bury lancs married Sarah Greenhalgh and had children.
I am having trouble locating William snr after this, I have scanned ancestry records and I have come up with a possible 3 within the period 1803 - 1806.
A William Proctor was convicted of Sheep Stealing on the 28 March 1835 and sentenced at York to transportation to Van Deiman's Land (Tasmania), a record on the 14 May shows him on the ship Leviathan in Portsmouth and also shows he died on the 25 May on that ship.
I wondered if any local historians had any information on this incident?
The other 2 possible William Proctor's went abroad I think 1 to the US and 1 to Australia I am in the process of messaging them to try to find out more information.
If anybody has any information on this I would be very grateful.
Thankyou
Robert Proctor
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belle
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Posted - 20/08/2011 : 21:06
To be honest Wendy I haven't tried, i have so many grandparents to trace back I am trying to keep the line tight and vertical rather than horizontal if that makes sense..she will be looked at when the others are exhausted.
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Rob07
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Posted - 20/08/2011 : 21:30
Hi Wendyf, I checked with Manchester Library and it seems they only have lists of information rather than being able to access the information online. The story of Joseph probably isn't in a Lancashire paper.
I'll look for Samuel I have him at Proctorheight but I don't understand what that is, do you mean the Samuel at Gawthorpe house Wendy?
Rob
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Posted - 20/08/2011 : 22:07
The Samuel at Proctor Heights, it is a farm just up the road from here, just off Skipton Old Road very close to the phone masts on top of the hill.
There is a picture somewhere on the site which shows Proctor Heights Farm. Here it is, very much in the distance I'm afraid, but it gives you an idea of the location. I just checked on a map, and it is over 1100 feet high.....tough farming!
Edited by - wendyf on 21/08/2011 11:18:51 AM
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Rob07
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Posted - 21/08/2011 : 20:01
Hello again, just wondering if anybody has accurate information as to the wives and children including dob if possible of Samuel Proctor b abt 1780 wife Alice believed to reside at Gawthorpe house Lothersdale a farmer.
I have suggestions of Ann Whittaker and Mary Smith can anybody confirm this please?
I'm betting there was a child to each wife named William with perhaps 5 or 6 years between them.
Thankyou
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Posted - 21/08/2011 : 21:46
It is getting a bit confusing Rob, and looks like we have more than one Samuel around at the same time.
"My" Samuel was born 1780 and was married to Ann Whittaker 4/7/1800 at Kildwick.
Ann was buried 7/9/1808 at Kildwick aged 25.
Samuel then married widow Mary Smith (nee Hartley) 22/08/1822.
When he died aged 57 he was buried with first wife Ann at Kildwick 30/9/1838.
Gawthorpe House is nearer Carleton than Lothersdale
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Rob07
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Posted - 21/08/2011 : 23:21
yes it is getting abit confusing Wendy, although not as confusing as this morning when I deleted lots of ancestors refound them though. Got back to 1430 hopefully it is correct.
I'm not totally sure it is Samuel I can't find anything on him I have him from cowling with a father John b1750 from Kilwick but perhaps it is John and not Samuel.
Do you have any children for Samuel and his two wives? perhaps that would make or break it.
Thanks for taking the time on this.
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 08:05
Have a look at the topic about the Proctors at Lower Burnt Hill, particularly the posts from Jonas and Carolwilko, both of whom are decendants of Samuel from his second marriage.
His sons from this marriage were Thomas b1823 d 1834, George b 1824 and Peter b1830.
I dont know about the children of his first marriage, except for a piece of info which I cant find suggesting that he had sons in Lothersdale.
There is a Proctor family tree in Colne Library, which I only came across recently. I am down there on Wednesday and will see what I can discover.
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Posted - 23/08/2011 : 09:36
Hi Wendy, I looked at that forum and contacted those two people, there are afew trees on Ancestry showing Samuel Proctor b 1780 with a son William b 1821. This seems highly unlikely as it would make Samuel 41 when William was born assuming he was the eldest child he would be even older if not.
Is it possible there is another William between these b 1796 married to a Jane?
Is there also another john Proctor father John Grey Proctor a brother of Samuel?
Thanks in anticipation
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Posted - 23/08/2011 : 09:45
No idea Rob, but as Samuel definately fathered Thomas, George & Peter between 1823 and 1830....
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Rob07
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Posted - 23/08/2011 : 13:17
Is this the George that had 15 children?
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wendyf
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Posted - 23/08/2011 : 13:22
Yes it is.
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Posted - 24/08/2011 : 10:34
I'm in the library at the moment Rob, looking at the Procter Tree in there, and guess what, there is no info on Samuel's first marriage or children, just a (?).
Samuel had a twin brother, John, both born 5th Nov in Cowling.
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Rob07
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Posted - 24/08/2011 : 20:59
wow thanks very much for looking.
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Posted - 24/08/2011 : 22:23
One thing I did notice...Samuel, his father John and grandfather Thomas were all said to be blacksmiths.
Kenneth Wilson, in his book The History of Lothersdale, gives the details of an 1811 census. There is only one Procter family in Lothersdale, the head of the family being S. Proctor. There was also a local census taken on 10th July 1838 in preparation for the building of a new church, again only one Procter family, and that is John Procter at Procterheight. He has 4 children and three are unbaptised. Mr Sidgewick, who took the census, left 1 shilling where he found real poverty and the Proctors were given a shilling. By the 1841 census John (aged 35) and his family are at Salt Pie farm (which is next door to Proctor Heights).
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Rob07
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Posted - 24/08/2011 : 23:07
Thats great Wendy, thanks very much, so Samuel was in fact a blacksmith come farmer? or am I getting mixed up with another Samuel being a farmer? looked at so many records lately.
I have John b 1750 & Thomas b 1719 in my tree so that's good. I have him in Cowling (Colne), if it's the same Samuel then in Skipton which hopefully is Lothersdale.
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Wlliam Procter b abt 1806 Lothersdale
