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panbiker
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According to this weeks BET, there is a proposal by Maple Grove Developments (Preston) to create a Supermarket and Car Parking for 275 cars on the current Carlson Filtration site at Butts. Apparently, plans are already underway to create a new food store and car park. The plans are at an early stage and rest on obtaining planning permission and a successful re-location of the Carlson Filtration operations.
You can read the article in the Barnoldswick and Earby Times (BET) and comment on the article here:
www.pendletoday.co.uk
The development company is holding an exhibition of the proposed plans on
Wednesday 30th Jan 2008 at the Rainhall Centre from 2.30pm to 7.30pm.
Good or bad idea, discuss..
Edited by - panbiker on 28/01/2008 17:45:05
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Sue
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Posted - 18/02/2008 : 09:56
I am not a barlicker as you know, but can you tell me if any houses are affected by this plan. They aren't knocking any down are they, or compulsory puchase
Sue
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Ringo
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Posted - 18/02/2008 : 12:08
I think all the house that are to be demolished are owned by Carlson already
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Stanley
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Posted - 19/02/2008 : 08:08
The staff at Harrison Moss were quite surprised when I drew their attention to the plans...... Their office goes and they knew nothing about it.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Sue
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Posted - 19/02/2008 : 15:37
I hope no 11 is OK, it was where my great grandfather was living when he was about 13 years of age.
Sue
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panbiker
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Posted - 05/03/2008 : 23:19
Barnoldswick Town Council annual meeting at the Civic Hall tomorrow, Thursday 6th March at 7.00pm.
The proposed Butts supermarket development will be discussed after the Town Awards. This weeks article in the B.E.T says that the councillors want as many people as possible to attend and make their views known to the council. Pendle's West Craven Committee will be asked to decide on the proposal at their meeting on 1st April.
An opportunity to make your views known.
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Callunna
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Posted - 06/03/2008 : 09:38
That would be this evening, folks. (Just bringing the topic back up top). |
Callunna
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Posted - 06/03/2008 : 21:55
Hah! Was I the only OG-er to attend?
There were about 70 people there and a rather one-sided debate took place as regards the supermarket plans, ending with a vote on "Do you want a supermarket development at the Butts" (or something similar).
Unsurprisingly the vote was a unanimous "No" with 10 abstentions by the councillors who didn't want to jeopardise their places on the planning committee by being seen as biased.
A member of the public called for a town poll, which IMHO is a complete waste of £2500 because it would have no bearing on the outcome of the planning decision, but there you go - we're having one.
In fact, even if local Town Councillors are against it, even if Pendle Borough Councillors are against it, the sad fact is that it makes not one jot of difference. If the two planning officers decide the plans meet the government's criteria for retail development, then the plans will be passed.
Even if the planning officers turn it down, the development company can appeal and then a faceless pen pusher (notice how impartial my report is?!) from Whitehall can come in and overturn the decision.
Local people - and common sense - unfortunately do not have any say in what happens to the town.
So, that only leaves one course of action: sabotage. I shall gird my lions [sic] and get prepared to ambush the JCBs when they start to roll in... |
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Posted - 06/03/2008 : 22:42
Could not make the meeting Cally but what you describe is what I would have expected. I agree that a town poll would be a total waste of money but it will give the councilors a get out if a wider consensus goes the other way. The Coates Wharfe housing development was turned down on appeal with a recommendation from the County Highways department on road safety grounds. I don't think a 270 place car park will go down very well with the narrow access to the site and potential rat run through residential areas. The B.E.T. article said that the West Craven committee would be asked for their decision by 1st April, how does this jig with a town poll, not a lot of time left to organise a proper job.
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Stanley
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 07:22
Thanks Heather for taking the trouble to go. I fear you are giving a totally accurate picture of the problem. From my experience with these matters the most profitable approach is to lean heavily on one objection on the grounds of safety/traffic. This is the strongest card, not even the appeals people can ignore this.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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panbiker
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 09:26
My point exactly Stanley, the proposal is a non starter, or should be on the traffic effects and road safety implications.
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Callunna
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 10:03
In fairness to the councillors, they all tried to dissuade the members of the public from demanding a poll, pointing out that it often takes up to 25 days to arrange, which would be well after the decision meeting.
David Whipp explained the situation (which I wrote about above, ie planners, appeals etc) and had said exactly what Stanley suggests - that any objections should be focused on rock solid reasons of safety/traffic etc.
Even if every resident voted "No, we don't want a supermarket," it wouldn't sway the town planners one bit and thus the money spent on the poll is totally wasted.
However, once you get a baying crowd, reason doesn't come into it.
I did attempt to suggest a compromise whereby the residents would get to air their views at no cost - by raising a petition - but this idea was thrown out on the grounds that it would only register one vote against the proposal. I don't particularly like petitions but I certainly don't like the thought of all that poll money being chucked down the drain.
So, we'll all have to sit tight and wait for the planning decision. I'm confident that our councillors on the planning committee will do the right thing by the town, but we may all have to raise our game somewhat if/when the faceless town planners take the inevitable appeal into account.
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Stanley
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Posted - 07/03/2008 : 10:23
It isn't only the local planning process that is involved. The developers and owners know that even if the local planning knock them back they have the money to go to appeal and 50% of appeals contested are allowed. More expense for the council in the appeal process so many don't bother. Sorry to be a wet blanket but as in much else in life, money talks and once built, they know that the public collectively have short memories. I for one will not darken their doors if it is built.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Stanley
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Posted - 05/04/2008 : 07:29
I see that the planners have come up with a modified proposal. All a negotiating ploy of course, start with asking for more than you need and then draw back to make people think you are a good guy. Don't be fooled and lulled into a sense of false security. The aim of the developers is to confuse and tire the opposiyion out. Is it Thursday when the town poll is being run? I've chucked my BET away. Let's all vote no.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Callunna
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Posted - 05/04/2008 : 10:36
Yes, the planners have done what I predicted in an earlier post, and modified their proposals.
They must think we're all idiots.
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Posted - 05/04/2008 : 10:39
Booths did exactly the same in Barrowford and the same plonkers fell for it.
Anyone seen the Audit Commission report that Pendle is one of the most efficient run councils in the country? For the bins maybe but not much else. Nolic
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