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panbiker
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As there are a number of artists among our midst, I thought I would start a topic for watercolour painting.
Ian
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TOM PHILLIPS
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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 22:31
Robin ,kind words you speak,I have no talent for anything,what you will find is that people have a fear of everything,fear nothing and do what you want,if you want to do a painting or drawing of anything,go for it,you'll soon discover somthing you enjoy.....
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TOM PHILLIPS
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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 22:36
I would love the talent of "keeping my gob shut" sometimes,alas........
"Work,the curse of the drinking class" |
Sue
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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 22:36
I have always been told that watercolours are the most difficult media. I just prefer them as they are softer, kinder, more aesthetic and dare I say it emotive ans romantic.
In my class with Jeremy we always start with a simple line drawing, and I mean simple. A few straight line for a tree, a line for a horizon and perhaps the line of flow of a river, or a key building or mountain. With Rosemary, my teacher on Monday night she NEVER does a drawing just paints straight on to the paper.
When I asked jeremy for the best approach he suggested simple line drawings from a picture or photograph and be selective, don't include everything you see, just include what you want to represent. All the above pictures, that Tom managed to download for me, I did in Jeremy's class, but that is because in Rosemary's class we do pictures twice the size and I can't get them on the scanner
If I have a go from a photograph, I print it on A4 size. Then trace the bits I want on to the watercolour paper. Sometimes you have to change the colours as what is a superb photo may not be a superb painting, Also you need to blend your palette in painting, perhaps using 2-4 colours only. That woul look quite inocuous in a photograph
So much for the lesson from the novice!!!!
Sue
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TOM PHILLIPS
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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 22:45
Sue,try this method,put a picture in front of yourself and go for it,lightley sketch and apply paint,use your natural talent,of which you have in abundence....
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blokman
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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 23:21
Thanks for all the advice, it is something I have fancied doing for a long time.... Lke Tom, I have always had an interest in Victorian architecture, this is one way of expressing that interest. Any sggestions on a basic colour palette to get me started?
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 07:45
Sue, if you want to avoid any obvious pencil lines then use a sharpened watercolour crayon. Caron Darche make these ans sell them in tins or you can just buy an odd crayon. These are in effect solid blocks of watercolour and when wet you can remove the colour with a brush and paint with it.
Bloks, everyone who paints in watercolour will probably answer differently but if I were starting now I would limit myself (not because of expense but to develop colour skills and blending) to 1. Ultramarine blue 2. Lemon Yellow or Cadmium Yellow 3. Alizarin Crimson 4. Burnt Sienna 5. Burnt Umber from these you can mix a wide range of colours. No black or dark grey ( Ultramarine crimson and burnt umber) no white as it is opaque and dulls other paint - use the white of the paper. Just hit Google for basic watercolour palette and you will get thousands of suggestions.
Couple of other points. Instead of watercolours try acrylics. Can be used thick like and oil paint or watered and they become watercolours - apart from drying much faster so care needs to be taken in cleaning brushes. If you stick with watercolours buy artists quality and get them from somewhere like SAA on the net. Own make is very good and much cheaper - especially if you join SAA.
The fees in the post.
Nolic (Artists Technical Problems Consultant)
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blokman
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 09:21
Cheers Nolic, I will obtain the colours you suggest any tips on basic selection of brushes, I will probably start off with landscape.....
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 11:03
Bloks, a number 4 , 8 a 3/4 flat and a rigger should be fine. Sable cost a fortune good alternative is a blend of synthetic and sable like Windsor and Newton "Sceptre" range. SAA's own silver brushes are all synthetic but seem very popular and look to do the business on the Painting Channel. I have one of their big flats and its very good and great to use. Get goos quality paper as well. Even the SAA's practice paper is fine. A cheap plastic palette will wells big enough to mix a good amount of paint is all that you then need.
Can't recommend enough that you look at the SAA website and join if so inclined as it really id good value for monet ( like the typo error???) Nolic
http://www.saa.co.uk/
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Sue
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 12:55
I agree about the SAA. I joined from my very first lesson , but then Jeremy Ford is the president. Rosemary my other teacher uses a lot of Paynes Grey. Otherwise I use phthalo blue and raw sienna and raw umber and a red , which I have forgotten the name of( tut tut). From these you can make just about anything you want. I too have some watercolour pencils. I use them a lot when I am sat in the garden and doodling at drawing flowers. Mine are Derwent ( bought at the Keswick pencil museum!). The tin comes with a brush so I only need a small glass of water, a large glass of wine and i can be set for the afternoon.
Sue
PS perhaps it was a large glass of water and a small glass of wine... er no I think I was right the first time!!
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blokman
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 16:16
Thanks all, had a look at the SAA site, what a store of information, will certainly join.
www.robinsharples.co.uk |
Sue
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Posted - 27/01/2008 : 11:40
I've just been ( well actually yesterday afternoon) to the craft shop in Ramsbottom opposite the railway station. When I say I have been, I mean I hobbled in clutching very tightly to Bob's arm and anyhing else that seemed stable.
Anyway, since Iwas last in their variety of Art and Crafts material have increased tremendously. I bought some artisits sketching pencils, 3 paintbrushes and some card for cardmaking. I could not manage any more but would have loved to browse at the books and the sewing and knitting stuff. Ah well another time
If anyone is interested you can catch the steam train from Bury,( the East Lancashire railway) even Heywood, directly to Rawtenstall. It makes agood day out, getting off at the different stations. Walking at some, shopping at others, lunch at others and just enjoying the day out
Sue
PS Not expensive either, but its not always the steam train that is running
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belle
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Posted - 28/01/2008 : 12:34
Bloks, a word about water colour...the main difference with it is you work backwards...that is if you want light in the picutre, or areas of white, you need to leave the paper unpainted in those areas...you can use masking fluid to do this (various people will have different ideas about masking fluid, i find it helpful and have never had a prob with it spoiling the paper, like everything else handle it lightly and it should be fine!) but you would not use it in large areas. Then you build up from lightest colours to darkest. Can't say I am an expert in it, I love the quality of th paint and the luminosity, but haven't got to grips with paint names or combinations. I occassionaly teach Pastels and think they are fantastic, very correctable so almost any mistake can be sorted. I particularly like the fact that I don't have to mix colours like you do with paint..you do all preliminary drawing in pastel, a lighter shade than the colour of the subject works best. Acrylics i find a tad vibrant for my tastes, but I do use them , and oil I love but need more time to experiment with. I am on the SAA website but will try to get soem pics on here.
Tom, your work is really coming on.....I really like the last one.
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Sue
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Posted - 28/01/2008 : 15:01
My latest picture
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Sue
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Posted - 28/01/2008 : 15:04
Sorry , I forgot to say. I did this in my last Monday evening lesson. No drawing was done, we painted straight on to the paper, using two colours only, These were Paynes grey and raw Unber, to try to create a wintry sepia effect
Sue
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Posted - 28/01/2008 : 15:26
Another cracking watercolour. Nice one Sue. Nolic
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