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Tizer
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The bottom picture is from an Australian postcard which features in an article by Philip J. Chapman on page 32 of "Picture Postcard Monthly" magazine (January 2008 - lots of interesting poctcards shown in each issue!). I have kept the image small to avoid upsetting Mr Chapman. I have enlarged the two warships from the postcard image. Mr Chapman wonders whether the ships are Australian Navy or Royal Navy. The card is dated 17th November 1913 and was sent from "Wal" in Australia to "Pearl" in Wymondham, Norfolk, UK. The view is of Sydney harbour with the ships at anchor.
I have put these pictures on the OGFB site for general interest but also because someone might be able to provide more details of the ships. I started a new thread rather than disrupting the objectives of thomo's thread!
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thomo
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Posted - 17/11/2009 : 11:03
Spot on Tizer, the other thread already in place is TGTP >erchant Ships, the help from any of you is greatly appreciated, You shift the pics and I will add the info, nothing beats lateral co-operation, Frank, I watched several vids on Sunday of once proud Vessels being run up the beach at Alang, as for distressing images, an Engineer friend of mine on Irish Ferries brought me a copy of the Merchant Navy Newspaper in which was a picture of HMS Blake being dragged backwards up the channel, She was my home for 37 months.
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Stanley
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Posted - 18/11/2009 : 08:34
The way I do it is to open up a word document, scan in the pic I want, get the web address off the new pics section for the pic I have just posted (that way you can get a bigger image and the address alweays works) Copy the address into the word doc and continue until you have all your ducks lined up. Then go to where you want to post, write text and insert pics by copying from the Word.doc as required. Faster process than it sounds and the best way I have found. The reason I go to the new pics forum for the address is that this one always works, the one that appears on the creen after acceptance doesn't always hack it.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 19/11/2009 : 20:40
Seeing Thomo writing about all kinds of ships from large to small prompts me to tell you about Ralph Bird who died recently in Cornwall, aged 67. I have just read his obituary in The Times. He built 29 pilot gigs that were raced by crews in Cornwall and elsewhere, all based on the traditional structures and materials (Cornish narrow-leaved elm) and he was the main force in getting gig racing back into fashion. He wrote books about them and gave lectures on their history and the like.
When I read it I immediately remembered a holiday at Devoran on the River Fal when Mrs Tiz and I were walking along by the riverside. I pointed out a cottage which had a shed in the garden and in which a lovely wooden boat was being built. I was much impressed by this traditional boatbuilding going on down a trackway at an old cottage, just as it would have done centuries ago. As I read the obituary I found that it was Ralph Bird's cottage and shed that we had seen, and it may well have been the last boat he built that was in the shed (it has been named the `Ralph Bird' by its owner).
There is another interesting side to the story. Ralph's father died young and he was looked after by his mother and he spent a lot of time as a boy with his grandfather who was a boatbuilder in Falmouth. It was just after the war and there were many naval ships, including battleships anchored in the Fal. Ralph was often on the ships with his grandfather and he used to say that other lads had model boats but he had real battleships to play with! Writing this prompted me to look on the web and I found that the obit is online at The Times web site:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article6916323.ece
Edited by - Tizer on 19/11/2009 20:41:44
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 08:42
Plan of wardroom and some of the officers' cabins of a River Class frigate. copied from `The Royal Navy Officer's Pocket-Book' (Anova Publishing). There are also diagrams and drawings of HMS Duncan.
Our local library has a display of books about World War 2 history at the moment and I borrowed `The Royal Navy Officer's Pocket-Book'.
From the publisher's web page:
"...the Officer's Handbook gathers together useful advice and instruction for those naval officers fighting the Second World War on all aspects of their job, expressed in the benevolent language of the day, when authority was respected."
"While suffused with nostalgia and charm, the various contents of this book are an authentic presentation of matters of training, authority and deportment in the wartime navy. The book is sure to appeal not only to those who served in the war or had a relative who was in the officer class, but also to anyone who wants to gain a greater understanding of the day-to-day administration of the wartime navy."
120 pages, ISBN: 9-781-8448-6054-8.
See publisher's web site:
http://www.anovabooks.com/products/product.asp?catId=10&subcatId=43&id=790
There are other books from the same publisher of a similar type and reprinted or adapted from the WW2 originals.
Edited by - Tizer on 02/11/2010 17:01:51
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 11:44
Nothing to do with warships but in a similar vein to the previous post. I have a number of reproduction booklets that were isued to various service and civilian personnel during WWII. "Notes for U.S. personnel when serving overseas", "The British Soldier in France", "A.R.P Handbook", "The British Home Guard Pocketbook", which I see is on your link Peter. There are lots of really good reproduction documents and everyday run of the mill stuff like ration books, bus and train tickets, pay books and all manner of ephemera. I usaully pick them up at the various re-enactment events we attend. All are a fascinating read and give a real insight into the attitudes of the day.
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 16:24
HMS Duncan, theres a blast from the past. It spent its last years tied up against the wall at Rosyth, its fate was to be a training ship for tiff (Artificer) apprentices. We had a 'steaming week' aboard her as part of our training. The idea was we did boiler & engine room watchkeeping duties like be were at sea for a week, keeping one of her boilers and ancillary machinery running all that time. I think as it happened, cutbacks meant they couldn't afford the full week, so it was all turned off for 5 of the days. The boiler room was an incredibly cramped machinery space as I remember and it helped if you were a dwarf with stunted growth.
It gets a mention on Wikipedia :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Duncan_%28F80%29
I suspect Tizer's is an earlier vessel of the same name
Need computer work ?
"http://www.stsr.co.uk" 
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thomo
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 16:45
Your ship Pluggy was a Blackwood Class Frigate and was tied up with HMS Eastbourne at Rosyth as harbour training ships for HMS Caledonia The previous Duncan was a "D" Class Destroyer and her predecessor was a Battleship prior to which there were 3 other ships of that name, the latest is a Type 45, I can find no mention of Duncan ever having been a River Class ship, they were all named for Admiral Duncan.
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 17:05
My error Thomo and well spotted. The book has diagrams relating to HMS Duncan and I had mistakenly carried over the name when it isn't mentioned on the picture above. I've edited my post in a way that Pluggy's post still makes sense.
I'll bet Ian's house must be interesting with all those repro objects in it!
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 18:04
I served on Tenby sister ship of Eastbourne, we did Dartmouth Training Squadron 68/69.
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 18:16
I must have been one of the last to sail on HMS Eastbourne , since it was made into a harbour training ship in 1977. Part of the tiffs training was to spend a term going to sea on Eastbourne. It was a fast ship, it sat about 6 feet higher out of the water at the bow than a standard type 12, due to most of its weaponary having been removed.
Need computer work ?
"http://www.stsr.co.uk"
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 20:52
Link to Navy News see Duncan is one of the new type 45s
http://www.navynews.co.uk/Archived-E-editions.aspx
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Stanley
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 06:01
I'm deep into Hew Strachan on WW1 and for the last few chapters he's been looking at the Navy in 1914/15. Fascinating stuff particularly the China Sea activity and the Pacific. The thing that strikes me is the fact that due to lack of communications they were so often working blind, even in the relatively confined waters of the North Sea. Jellicoe comes out badly. Fascinating stuff.
One particular thing stood out. A bloke called Arthur Hungerford Pollen invented a new 'computer' fo directing fire but was sidelined by conservative forces in the naval gunnery section. From what I can see this was a big mistake! If you are interested have a look at this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Pollen
Stanley Challenger Graham
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thomo
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 09:53
Arthur Hungerford Pollen had competition from Frederic Charles Dreyer who also invented a computer based fire control system. This system was fitted to my Fathers ship the Super Dreadnought HMS Thunderer, tests were carried out in competition with HMS Orion, another ship of the same class, Thunderers rate of fire was faster and six times more accurate. Thunderer became the first ship to be fitted with an early computer controlled fire system.
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 16:51
Just read another interesting thing Peter that throws up the difficulties the coal-fired ships had. The Groeben couldn't be used for convoy duties protecting the colliers bringin Turkish coal to the Bosphorous (Essential for her) because when on ecort duty she burned more coal than the colliers were carryng! Bit of a conundrum...
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 27/12/2010 : 12:25
I was doing some research today into an Uncle of mine Able Seaman Edward Albert Crossman, I knew he had been awarded the Distinguished Service Medal in 1942. The family always refered to the time he had served on HMS Kelly so I had made the assumption he was on the Kelly when he won the award. Now to my surprise I find out that he was on HMS Leamington which was on convoy protection duties for much of the war. More research needed now to find out why he got the DSM !!!
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