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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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catgate
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 18:02
This attracted me :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8440423/What-happens-when-the-great-fantasies-like-wind-power-or-European-Union-collide-with-reality.html


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frankwilk
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 21:44
Christopher Brooker has long been against the EU and Global Warming, but a good article.  It's the comments after the article that are worth the read !!



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frankwilk
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 21:53
" Nowt wrong with bringing a government down, it just shows people don't want them "
 Which people would they be Stanley ?? MPs  I really wish we should have another election and soon, currently we have the worst of all worlds. 
Why would a Goverment Minister put himself up to be Slow hand clapped by a Trade Union the RCN is a trade union.The  RCN these guardians of our NHS remember North Staffs !!  Or was staffed by Tory Right Wingers trying to bring order to the chaos affectionately known as the NHS.

Edited by - frankwilk on 13/04/2011 9:54:37 PM



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Bradders
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 01:27


quote:
frankwilk wrote:
" Nowt wrong with bringing a government down, it just shows people don't want them "
 Which people would they be Stanley ?? MPs  I really wish we should have another election and soon, currently we have the worst of all worlds. 
Why would a Goverment Minister put himself up to be Slow hand clapped by a Trade Union the RCN is a trade union.The  RCN these guardians of our NHS remember North Staffs !!  Or was staffed by Tory Right Wingers trying to bring order to the chaos affectionately known as the NHS.

Edited by - frankwilk on 13/04/2011 9:54:37 PM
This post is difficult to decypher .......Maybe it would be better if you responded before the sun was over the yard arm , Frank...eh !



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HerbSG
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 02:04
Another gem from the little lizard that lives in the pit..lighten up lad...if you cannot say something positive ..then go back to sleep and say NOWT.


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 04:56
Frank, the 65% of voters who voted other than Tory. North Staffs was down to bad management not frontline staff, read MD in Private Eye for last 3 years+ and before you sneer at him and PE it was those reports that eventually forced the enquiry and publicity.

Personal recrimination is creeping in again.  Do I have to go street-cleaning? Is calling people names 'positive'?

Campaigns for and against AV are just that, campaigns by interested parties using the media to try to influence the result. They're wasting money actually, nobody will be more surprised than me if AV wins or even if we have a clear result on a good turn out. The interesting thing about May 5th will be what the election results show. There will then be the usual flood of experts telling us that mid-term elections are not a reliable indicator of trends.

Much comment about a small and very suspect drop in unemployment. Measuring the unemployed is so complicated these days that it's difficult to make any sense out of them. The statistics that are the most worrying (as they were in the 1930s and the 1980s) are youth unemployment and the long-term unemployed and both these are rising. We are seeing the creation of another generation of 'Thatcher's Children'. We don't seem to have learned anything.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 07:22
Stanley I have never seen a manager on the " frontline " that is the place people died !!!
Stanley what are we to do with the Youth and Long Termed Unemployed ?? How do you suggest we put them to work ??  In the Public Sector,  tried that and it didn't work ask Godron !!!
It is just something we have to get over. I like the Thatchers children comment "we don't seem to have learned anything". You seem to miss out that the World has changed, it's now the Global World Market not the UK and the Commonwealth, and we are still finding our position in this changing World.



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frankwilk
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 07:26
Bradders  I apologise I thought you may have been up to speed with Political Affairs sufficient enough to understand my post But !!!
 



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Stanley
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 08:53
Very interesting comments on R4 by a Professor of Politics who has been looking at the probable effects of AV on recent elections. 1997 would have been a bigger landslide for Labour with slightly more Libdem MPs and less Tories. 2010 would have given Libdems more seats and possibly resulted in a Lib Lab coalition, still a hung Parliament but a different balance.


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catgate
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 09:47


quote:
Stanley wrote:
Very interesting comments on R4 by a Professor of Politics who has been looking at the probable effects of AV on recent elections. 1997 would have been a bigger landslide for Labour with slightly more Libdem MPs and less Tories. 2010 would have given Libdems more seats and possibly resulted in a Lib Lab coalition, still a hung Parliament but a different balance.

Anyone with a reasonable knowledge of statistics can see why the Left are desperate for AV to be introduced. The Right are just as desperate for it not to happen. The Right are right but for the wrong reason.


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Bradders
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 10:32


quote:
frankwilk wrote:.  Or was staffed by Tory Right Wingers trying to bring order to the chaos affectionately known as the NHS.

Edited by - frankwilk on 13/04/2011 9:54:37 PM
Frank It's the last sentence that I don't understand . I managed to pick my way through the rest of it .........


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belle
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 11:34
No i didn't understand that bit either?


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thomo
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 19:13
So the old "hot potato" immigration has jumped into the spotlights again, and I agree completely with what the Prime Minister is saying, As usual the ranks of those who cannot see the problem stiffened by the knowledge that there are many people who dare not speak of the problem are having a field day. The press of course head for places such as Reading and Southampton where there are many immigrants, but not in overwhelming numbers, and even there those who are concerned will speak their mind but are wary of being shown on camera. Vince Cable thinks that the PMs views could promote extremism, does this mean that the truth must be concealed for fear of offending what is yet a minority until we reach a stage where it is too late to do anything. Another argument has started about the numbers quoted, wow, number crunchers will not solve the problems involved. The disputed numbers concerned Eastern Europeans, but these people are not frightened of getting their hands dirty and are prepared to do work that our own people will not do, as neither will the other and larger group of immigrants, also, of course they raise families, but not on a production line basis, in short the drain on this countries resources are probably not as great as that imposed by other groups, and they will integrate without making abnormal demands on the infrastructure. One coloured Woman when interviewed said, "I am concerned that my Aunt wont be able to visit us" I dont think that any of us mind visitors, as long as they go back home happy, but go back home. "Good immigration and not mass immigration" sounds fair to me and I am not talking as someone who has not been involved, I have, and I wont bore you with the details, unless I am asked, suffice to say that when dealing with non Europeans, a whole new set of problems arise.


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HerbSG
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Posted - 14/04/2011 : 23:42
Thomo playing field here in Canada is much the same.  Immigration used to be skilled (at least factory trained folks) Europeans, Brits, Dutch, German. Now it seems what we get are those who want out of turmoil and arrive as refugee seekers (all on 747's, not ships as we did) many do not and never will speak the language, unless it is to get benefits.  We arrived with enough money to last about 10 days, but Rolls Royce employment put my father in good stead to get a job almost right away at Rolls in Montreal...now the brass at Rolls feel they can hire off the street and train on the job.

Immigration should be limited to people that speak the language, and can add to the job market skills of whatever kind they possess, and investors and surviving immediate family, we should also do our bit by accepting some refugees (not simply economic or criminal elements).


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Bradders
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Posted - 15/04/2011 : 00:59
Who kick-stared this dabate once again  ? .....And why now , precisely  ?

Surely it can't because there are elections in the offing....and the Lib-Dems could do with a bit of a  smoke screen.........

Edited by - Bradders on 15/04/2011 01:04:48 AM


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