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Rob07
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Thank you for allowing me here it looks a great site just joined tonight.
After 3 years of doing my family tree and nearly 2000 people on it I am hoping for some local information. The earliest confirmed Proctor I have is William b abt 1806 not sure exactly where born but local and resident in Lothersdale as a Blacksmith who married Sarah Pickles on the 4 Jan 1821.
After 4 children William, Edwin, Francis and the last being Moorhouse Proctor in 1833 shortly after the birth of Moorhouse Sarah sadly passed away.
I have found records for Moorhouse (with difficulty) with another family and the other children William, Edwin and Francis also with another family. William b 1824 moved to Bury lancs married Sarah Greenhalgh and had children.
I am having trouble locating William snr after this, I have scanned ancestry records and I have come up with a possible 3 within the period 1803 - 1806.
A William Proctor was convicted of Sheep Stealing on the 28 March 1835 and sentenced at York to transportation to Van Deiman's Land (Tasmania), a record on the 14 May shows him on the ship Leviathan in Portsmouth and also shows he died on the 25 May on that ship.
I wondered if any local historians had any information on this incident?
The other 2 possible William Proctor's went abroad I think 1 to the US and 1 to Australia I am in the process of messaging them to try to find out more information.
If anybody has any information on this I would be very grateful.
Thankyou
Robert Proctor
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belle
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 17:39
All this Proctor talk has got me looking at mine in more detail...and I am surprised to see that they owned a couple of well known inns in the neighbourhood, if I've got the right ones.
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 08:44
Sounds interesting Belle, let me know if I can do any research in the library for you.
Rob, I would be tempted to go to WYAS in Leeds and see if there was anything about what happened to Sarah & Williams' children in the "Overseers' accounts and papers (Carleton & Lothersdale townships) 1702-1841" which are held there, along with lots of other records including the parish registers. Reference P18.
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Rob07
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 08:55
Wendy, no idea what the accronym WYAS is sorry.
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 09:00
Sorry Rob, "West Yorkshire Archive Service".
Edited by - wendyf on 03/09/2011 09:00:29 AM
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Rob07
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Posted - 05/09/2011 : 20:47
Hi Wendy, referring to your previous post marriage of Samuel Proctor and Ann Whittaker 1800 is there a marriage record of it anywhere please?
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Posted - 05/09/2011 : 22:28
I haven't seen a record Rob, I have just taken the information from a post by "carolwilko" in the other topic. It must be in the Kildwick parish registers.
Here is his post:
Wendy , joy of joys, the search for Samuel Proctors last resting place is over. Thanks to a lot of help from Josie Walsh at craven indexes I can reveal the location, but first a brief explanation as to the reasons why. When Samuel married on the 22nd day of August 1822 on the register entry it states "widower" his wife to be also a widow Mary Smith, this is where Josie came to the rescue along with information supplied by Jonas (member) . Question: who was Samuel first married to, the answer was a women called Ann Whitaker and they married on the 4/7/1800 at St Andrews church, Kildwick. Ann died aged 25 years on the 7/ 9/ 1808, The dilema is this: are you laid to rest with your first or last love in Samuels case it was the first, that is why Mary is intered at Winewall at Trawden along with other members of her family. The Church records state Ann Proctor buried 7/ 9/ 1808 aged 25, Samuel Proctor of Thornton buried 30/ 9/ 1838 aged 57 both are presumably buried together in the church yard of St Andrews at Kildwick! There is only one sad note to the find, that of no headstone I spent all last Sunday morning trawling back and forth through the grave yard to no avail.
Anyway onwards and upwards, again many thanks to Josie Walsh and to the original information supplied by Jonas, now I can sleep at night well for now anyway.
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Rob07
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Posted - 05/09/2011 : 23:51
Thanks Wendy, I have added another brother of Twin Brothers Samuel & John a Thomas Proctor, b 1888 and a son of his and wife Catherine as William b 1821, I originally thought William was a son of Samuel but a marriage record says father was Thomas.
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 10:27
Robo it's great to see people doing proper research re family history, if everyone on Ancestry was as concientious as you the tree information would be a lot less misleading, as it is people see a name and add it because it is the same..they don't seem to realise there could be fifty or so people with the same name, similar birth dates and near geographical locations because of the way people kept Christian names in the family.
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Rob07
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 18:45
My Thomas Proctor was born after his father John Grey Proctor died hmmmmmm
Have to check on that one.
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Rob07
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Posted - 08/09/2011 : 19:10
Having received information on the Proctor tree thanks to Wendyf I still don't know who William's b 1798 father is.
I have scanned Ancestry records and messaged quite afew people with Procter in their tree, hopefully I can make progress.
Edited by - Rob07 on 08/09/2011 21:51
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Posted - 09/09/2011 : 09:54
I have found the children of Samuel & Ann being baptised together at Ickornshaw Chapel on 21st September 1809. No William I'm afraid!
Proctor John b 29/11/1802
Proctor James b 17/08/1804
Proctor Samuel b 20/02/1806
I downloaded the "Craven Indexes", well worth £10 and full of information. No sign of William being baptised anywhere.
Did you have to be baptised in order to be married in church?
I will have another search under Whitaker, just in case he was born out of wedlock before Samuel & Ann married.
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Rob07
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Posted - 09/09/2011 : 20:00
Hi Wendy, the dates of the children fit better if Samuel was married in 1800 but my William was born in 1798 or was he lol
Rob
Edited by - Rob07 on 09/09/2011 20:39:05
Edited by - Rob07 on 09/09/2011 20:43:32
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 22:11
Hi Wendy, I believe you do have to be baptised to be married in church yes.
Just found out that the Senior household Charles and Sarah, who took William, Edwin and Francis in as per the 1841 census Sarah was a Proctor when she got married to Charles.
A witness of that marriage was guess who? yes a William Proctor!
Edited by - Rob07 on 10/09/2011 22:12:27
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wendyf
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Posted - 11/09/2011 : 08:16
Where was that marriage Rob?
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Rob07
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Posted - 11/09/2011 : 08:31
25 Aug 1835 parish Church Leeds Wendy
Edited by - Rob07 on 11/09/2011 08:32:17
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Wlliam Procter b abt 1806 Lothersdale
