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The bottom picture is from an Australian postcard which features in an article by Philip J. Chapman on page 32 of "Picture Postcard Monthly" magazine (January 2008 - lots of interesting poctcards shown in each issue!). I have kept the image small to avoid upsetting Mr Chapman. I have enlarged the two warships from the postcard image. Mr Chapman wonders whether the ships are Australian Navy or Royal Navy. The card is dated 17th November 1913 and was sent from "Wal" in Australia to "Pearl" in Wymondham, Norfolk, UK. The view is of Sydney harbour with the ships at anchor.
I have put these pictures on the OGFB site for general interest but also because someone might be able to provide more details of the ships. I started a new thread rather than disrupting the objectives of thomo's thread!
Tizer
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 20:25
Our village hall is holding a small exhibition today set up by a local member of the Western Front Association to mark Remembrance Day. I took the opportunity to photograph a few things that interested me. This is from (appropriately) a `Senior Service' cigarette card and shows HMS Rodney's unusual layout of nine 16-inch guns in three forward turrets (shared by sister ship Nelson). The cards all featured black & white photos of ships and naval activities.
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This and the next photo are from a magazine published in the 1930s and featuring an article on the Royal Navy in World War I. The one above is the view from the stern deck of the battleship HMS Queen Elizabeth. I guess the two follwing vessels are battleships of the same class or the similar Revenge type. I presume the barrage balloon was attached to the following ship!
This is a rather blurred photo (my fault, not the magazine) of HMS Bellerophon filling her coal bunkers from a collier at Scapa Flow in World War I, the turret of Bellerophon on the left and the collier on the right. The caption says that the Navy's ships were increasingly oil-fuelled but many still used coal at the time. I found it amazing that the coal is in sacks and the men are waiting with trolleys to collect them. How many trolley loads did it take to fuel a battleship I wonder?
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Stanley
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 06:23
A quick furtle on the web says that coal capacity of Bellerophon and similar ships was about 2,800 tons. That's 56,000 of those bags if she was completely empty.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Tizer
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Posted - 13/11/2009 : 12:40
Thanks Stanley, I'm still digesting that calculation. It's amazing! I'm glad I wasn't one of those sailors with the trolleys. Now this makes me raise a related question. When the displacement in tons of a ship is calculated does it include fuel, etc or is it the empty ship or what?
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Stanley
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Posted - 13/11/2009 : 16:30
It's usually the 'designated displacement' which is the weight of water displaced when fully loaded. There are other specialised displacement weights for different loading conditions.
Coaling ship was only part of it because part of the operation was cleaning the ship afterwards. Coal dust got everywhere particularly in a place like Aden which was a major naval coaling station. Far better done in a gentle mizzle!
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 13/11/2009 : 16:50
Wouldn't like to do a RAS with Coal !!! What do you say Thomo
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 11:45
Thanks for that Stanley, and now I remember, that's why the Plimsoll line is more complicated than just a single line on the side of a ship. I hope there are other uninformed people like me out there reading this and learning from it!
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 13:23
Tropical and Tropical Fresh are two that spring to mind with regards to the Plimsoll Line. I think maybe need to google that as memory not to clear lol
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thomo
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 15:10
Hi Frank, I agree that oil is easier to deal with on RAS. My Dad told me all about "Coaling Ship" Six years on the Thunderer and this was done every two days at sea with all ships company doing their bit. I have a photo somewhere of this task and the lads were wearing whites? think about dhobying that lot on a shilling a day. As for oil,I was off watch during one RAS and on being woken up, found that I was sharing the mess with about five inches of FFO, someone had omitted to shut the valve at 98% and gone off to the next tank leaving the sounding tube cover off. Ages to clean up and the stink was with us for weeks.
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 17:14
Hey Thomo on the Tenby we used to lift the hatch cover off to see what the level was. Needless to say it was in the Seamans mess and that stunk for days as well. It dosen't bear thinking about doing a RAS with coal.
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Posted - 16/11/2009 : 20:18
Thomo, I assumed your pictures were for this thread but they haven't appeared so I've put them below. Let me know if you don't want them here and I'll delete them from the thread. Tizer
Coaling up circa 1910 - cleaning up must have been a nightmare.
Nearly tot time circa 1913 on a `stone' frigate.
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Posted - 16/11/2009 : 20:50
Is that you 3rd from the front Thomo ???
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thomo
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Posted - 16/11/2009 : 23:24
At the front Shipmate, I am not that tall, but determined. Tizer, many thanks, I could do with a bit of help, I am about to re-open an old topic that has been dormant for a while and never really got started, trouble is ive forgotten how to put the pics where I want them, and there are a lot of pics to come, See"Thomos guide to preservation" I have just today found a pic of the breakers yard at Inverkeithing, not a very good pic but there is HMS,s Rodney, Nelson and Revenge, A sad pic of old ships, I will post it next, Thanks again.
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Stanley
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Posted - 17/11/2009 : 07:00
Here's the yard Peter.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 17/11/2009 : 09:03
Thomo not a great video Tenby and Fearless off to the scrap yard Tenby in South Wales and fearless in Ghent. Spent Two Years on each of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=lvYO_YB0CDk#t=16
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=1-Y4VaYcS-c
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Posted - 17/11/2009 : 10:18
Thomo, is the "TGTP, Ships, Naval, Steam" thread where you want the photos to go? If you submit the photos through the usual route I'm sure the rest of us can help put them in the thread for you. It'll be great to see them and make them available to others to view. I don't know if there is a way of getting photos put on in bulk - perhaps Stanley knows?
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