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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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Callunna
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Posted - 14/12/2010 : 11:25
"Yes I do think Horses are a correct and good way to control a crowd, It has been done for years, and it works. Brave Policemen tackling a Mob on Horse Back should be congratulated."

Takes me back to my youthful days when I was very politically active and went on many lawful, peaceful protests. Emphasis on peaceful. And lawful.

One time I was at Greenham Common. We were sitting down, singing a few songs, doing nothing aggressive or confrontational. Suddenly the police on horseback came out of nowhere and charged at us. They were yelling and waving their batons, urging the horses forward. Fortunately the horses had more compassion and refused to step on any of us. They delicately trod in between our bodies while their riders tried to force them into the seated crowd.

I remember looking up into the eyes of one of the horses. I could see extreme distress but (some may call this a bit woo woo) something passed between us - I felt enormous gratitude towards the horse and it seemed to sense that.

I'm not passing judgement on the use of horses for crowd control - I'm just relating one story as I experienced it. There are always many facets to any argument. I fully accept that there is a rogue element involved in the latest student protests and I do not condone violence in any way, shape or form.

Incidentally, later that day we meticulously went round with bin bags and cleared up every bit of litter we could find, piling the bags in the designated area. A police helicopter then zoomed in and hovered over the area for a couple of minutes before zooming off again. As you might guess, the litter was blown all over the place.Go to Top of Page
Tizer
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Posted - 14/12/2010 : 16:50
I'm not ignoring Calluna's post but just want to tell Bradders how to hyperlink his web addresses...

Bradders, put the letters url between square brackets in front of the address and then /url in square brackets after the address, with no spaces anywhere. Your web address will magically be converted into a link when you post it. The magic is simple. Web pages are in HTML code. You have an `on' code at the beginning and an `off' code at the end of any segment of text telling the browser how to display it. The code goes in between square brackets so the browser knows it is code. The code to say "display this as a link" is url. You switch it off by having a slash in front of the second url at the end of the text. These codes are invisible when the text is viewed in the browser.


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Bradders
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Posted - 14/12/2010 : 16:58
Peter ...you are a Star....Many Thanks !


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 15/12/2010 : 05:59
Heather's story about the horse reminds me of when Abel Taylor's horse Dick ( a big horse!) stepped gently over young Stephen Taylor who was sat in the doorway of the stable at Greenbank. We hadn't see him but the horse did.

Been thinking about Wikileaks. Apart from the fact that Lasange persecution has all the signs of a witch hunt and my recognition that governments need confidentiality in some areas I'm mainly concerned with how it happened. 

If I have it right, someone somewhere shoved a DVD or similar storage medium into a terminal and downloaded archived files. They should have a word with one of my intelligent daughters! She had the job of leading a project that completely re-organised the WA police sensitive files. Think witness protection, sex offenders registers etc. All the information that had to be totally controlled. The solution she put in place was a completely separate computer system with no connection to the outside world using the highest encyption standards and completely inaccessible to anyone except the hand-picked sworn officers who administered it.  Anyone wanting information had to contact the unit, specify what they wanted and prove they had authority. They were then given access to the specific information and nothing else. The system had no provision for the use of external storage media, it was impossible to copy anything. If I have it right the only way to move the info in bulk was to remove the hard drives and physically take them to where they were needed. I remember when there was the case of all the tax records that got lost I asked her about it and she told me that when they eventually had to move the data to a new location she arranged an armed escort for the drives/computers, whatever.

No system is foolproof but what was created in WA was a system that was as near perfect security as possible. The thing that strikes me is why was it even possible to take a copy like the whistleblowers did? Is the root of the problem bad IT management by governments? Why does this not surprise me?


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frankwilk
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Posted - 15/12/2010 : 07:27
Stanley
Bradley had access, he was an intelligence analysis.!!! You can't stop bad apples who have access. A major Oil Company that I know issued an instruction " Anyone caught with a flash drive connected to any company computer would be sacked "
 I never knew anyone who got sacked for having one.

Problem with Wikileaks is how do we know What is True and what Wikileaks may have manipulated for different reasons !!!

Edited by - frankwilk on 15/12/2010 08:31:14 AM



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Tizer
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Posted - 15/12/2010 : 10:32
According to a statement issued by the 1st Armored Division public-affairs staff in Baghdad in July 2010, the first charge against Bradley Manning (employed as an intelligence specialist at Contingency Operating Base Hammer in Iraq) was that he "violated a lawful Army regulation in that he transferred classified data onto his personal computer and added unauthorised software to a classified computer system." As an intelligence specialist he had the rightful access but he abused this privilege. From 9/11 onwards the US security services tried to make secret information more readily available and transferable among the various services and this inevitably has made the system leakier. It has taken them this long to realise the downside of such actions. If you push `access' further and further down the command line there will be more leaks.


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Stanley
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Posted - 16/12/2010 : 07:00
Quite Tiz, the whole point about the WA system was that copying files was not possible, even for the staff running the core system.

Listrened to Gerry Robinson saying sensible things about NHS reform. He reckons that the propsed changes are a big mistake and if it was done in a private business it would be a disaster. 

The legal system has swung into gear over the Macondo Well. US government suing everyone and no doubt BP will sue everyone as well. The legal eagles are going to be making money for years here.

We chucked the Harrier into the bin yesterday. All that research and development wasted. Did you see Margaret Hodge savaging the MOD? No matter which way you look at it we are in a mess!

Talking about messes. The unemployment figures, particularly the young and the long-term unemployed, are rising. Looks like a re-run of the 1930s and the 1980s. I hope not but a lot of people are facing a very bleak New Year. Add in the repercussions for their familes and dependents and the effect on the general economy. We aren't out of this particular wood yet.

Just to add to the problems, I've seldom seen a worse weather picture than the one we have at the moment. They are already talking about a re-run of 1963. I hope not, that was cruel weather and I was on the tramp at the time. Horrible.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 16/12/2010 : 07:41
Stanley everything is possible with computers, there is always someone smarter than the original programmer.
Harriers are now old technology, it's OK saying look what they achieved in the Falklands that was 28 years ago now.
We have to reform the NHS some how, it is absorbing £ Billions and will continue to do so.The amount of waste is incredible it has to be reigned in, no other way for it or for us to survive.



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Tizer
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Posted - 16/12/2010 : 09:41
I've put some links to photos of the final days of the Harrier on the Winged Heroes thread.

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On a different subject...there was a discussion on Radio 4 this morning about referring (critically reviewing) scientific papers. They had neuroscientist Colin Blakemore and also the editor of Nature journal. After some serious discussion they related how one referee wrote: "This paper has both novelty and interest. Unfortunately, the interesting part is not novel and the novel part is not interesting".

They also told a story (possibly apocryphal) about Voltaire replying to a letter and saying: "I am sitting in the smallest room in the house and your letter is before me, but it will soon be behind me".

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A note on the weather. The current bad weather, including the very cold weather in Britain and Europe, is due to the La Nina weather cooling event which occurs every few years in the Pacific Ocean. It's particularly bad this time and the weather forecasters say we should expect an even worse bout in January. (Sorry to bring you that news!)

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Another
Traycle Mine Overseer


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Posted - 16/12/2010 : 12:15
Some great pics of the Harriers in today's Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338886/Harrier-jets-skies-final-farewell.html   

Nolic


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catgate
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Posted - 16/12/2010 : 12:56


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Tizer wrote:
.... is due to the La Nina weather cooling event which occurs every few years in the Pacific Ocean.

You make it sound like a "Glastonbury" or a "Woodstock". Can we buy tickets for the next one.?


Every silver lining has a cloud.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 16/12/2010 : 13:17
It was a good photo, our son is amazed at how they managed to get 15 into the air all at once. He doubts if they could have got 15 Tornados up together !!!!!!



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Posted - 16/12/2010 : 13:52
Makes a good PC wallpaper frank. Nolic


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 05:35
Listened to a report on World Service this morning about brutal repression of Shia minority in Bahrain. Think midnight arrests of men women and children, beating, torture and worse. They are all 'terrorists' of course. Makes you realise that with all our problems, we are infinitely better off here than in many other countries. I suppose we'd better not upset them because we need the oil!

We freed 69 prisoners 'by mistake' in the last year's figures. Makes you wonder how they select them, ballot?

Chief constable of Surrey pokes his head over the parapet again to oppose bonus payments to senior officers. He's refused his. I like his style, wonder how popular he is with his colleagues?


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handlamp
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 15:41
Frank, as I have said before on these pages,the Coalition's intention to do away with PCTs and transfer the work to GPs will not save money and will most certainly damage the efficiency of the Service. There was probably no nationalised body subjected to, more or less,  perpetual reorganistatian than B.R. I know that whenever it happened Management's eye was taken off the ball and the service suffered. To do it in the midst of economies planned on a scale that even an old lag like me has not encountered previously is downright criminal. 
Another string to their bow is privatisation which will only result in more inefficiency as well as taking mpney away to make a profit for the providers. The answer is to listen to chaps like Gerry Robinson and cut out the `dead wood' in managements. 

We had an earlier bout on the question of the impending cuts where you seemed to doubt my allegations that these would fall on the elderly and infirm. Central Government has now made cuts of approximately 12.5% over 4 years to the `Supporting People' budget provided to County Councils.  In Robin Hood County the Tory Council are proposing cuts of between 47% and 66% which will impact on services aimed at the care of the more vunerable members of our society.     


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