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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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thomo
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 22:53
Well done Catty, that is a classic, after all the bad news of the day, thank you very glad.


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Stanley
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 05:36
Martha's cat Toff has become a celebrity. I like the fact that he became a marketing tool for the college. I'm afraid that over here they could just as easily barred him from the premises!

http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_17569023


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Tizer
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 10:49
BBC Radio 4's Today programme repeated a daft claim this morning, probably getting it from today's Daily Mail. The Mail story reports astrologers' claims that the Moon's orbit is passing exceptionally close to Earth and that this could have caused the Japan earthquake. The claim that the Moon is coming close to Earth and can cause disasters there has also been the basis of an email scam over the years, presumably designed by malicious types who like frightening people. The truth is that the Moon's gravitational pull is too weak to have such effects, even at its closest orbit.

Another bit of misleading news reporting is the "Nuclear explosion at Japan nuclear power station" and similar that have been put on the Internet. Even the BBC went as far as talking about the "nuclear explosion" this morning. It's a an explosion at a nuclear power plant - that doesn't mean it's a nuclear explosion. I don't believe that can happen at a nuclear power plant because the fuel is not sufficiently enriched.

11.40am  The World Nuclear Association says the explosion was due to hydrogen igniting. Further technical details of the situation are on this web site:
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Battle_to_stabilise_earthquake_reactors_1203111.html

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catgate
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 11:40


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Tizer wrote:
BBC Radio 4's Today programme repeated a daft claim this morning, probably getting it from today's Daily Mail. The Mail story reports astrologers' claims that the Moon's orbit is passing exceptionally close to Earth and that this could have caused the Japan earthquake. The claim that the Moon is coming close to Earth and can cause disasters there has also been the basis of an email scam over the years, presumably designed by malicious types who like frightening people. The truth is that the Moon's gravitational pull is too weak to have such effects, even at its closest orbit.

Another bit of misleading news reporting is the "Nuclear explosion at Japan nuclear power station" and similar that have been put on the Internet. Even the BBC went as far as talking about the "nuclear explosion" this morning. It's a an explosion at a nuclear power plant - that doesn't mean it's a nuclear explosion. I don't believe that can happen at a nuclear power plant because the fuel is not sufficiently enriched.

Edited by - Tizer on 12/03/2011 11:12:26

I think the two reports in Tizer's reply above are linked.

First of all the orbit of the moon, coming closer to earth, caused large quantities of the blue cheese, of of which, as we know, the moon is composed, to fall upon the earth, due to increased gravitational pull. The Japanese have been operating a clandestine off shore "Cream Cracker" farm for a number of year and the "draw" of this on the falling cheese had a very great effect on the place that the  cheese made its soft landing.

Secondly, unless the utmost care is taken with ring fencing the cheese in its present location, there could well be an explosion if the cheese should manage to find its way into the nuclear plant area.  The explosive nature of green cheese has been demonstrated on many people in the past.


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Sunray10
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 22:49
The news continuing with reference to the earthquake and tsunami in north eastern Japan. Hundreds, in fact, thousands have lost their lives there. We must remember that.

Edited by - Sunray10 on 12/03/2011 22:50:01


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Stanley
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Posted - 13/03/2011 : 04:59
Tiz. I heard the reports and had the same reaction. What I find, more and more, is that a combination of the media imperative to say something, often before there is any hard information, plus the deplorable lowering of standards in editing as costs are cut in news rooms means that we get what can only be described as Chinese Whispers. Entirely different but apposite, I heard a report the other day about a man caught 'blowing a bomb up'. He was trying to detonate it which is an entirely different matter. A small thing but it degraded the communication.

Many years ago I was in NY watching Reagan getting shot in real time. I sat there fascinated watching the media digging themselves deeper and deeper into the mire and eventually the infection got as far as General Haig who announced he was in charge when of course he wasn't.  The administration of the most powerful nation on earth was acting like a headless chicken. Think William Hague, Libya, the paralysis in the Foreign Office, stupid actionsand join the dots.

The Japanese earthquake is serious. There are implications that even the Japanese don't understand yet but our media see fit to fill dead air with partial reporting. Time to sit back and await some clarity.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 13/03/2011 : 08:46
The phrase 24/7 is what drives the News. With communications so rapid we need to know now what has gone on. Or we will have missed it as the next Headline hits the screen !!!
ps cutting costs in News Room should not lead to Lower Standards that is just an excuse.



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Tizer
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Posted - 13/03/2011 : 11:33
The News Room problem is largely to do with dependence on Tweets, Google, Facebook et al. instead of original information. But as you say they are driven to that by the rush to provide 24/7 news - whether people want it or not.

What does impress me is the resilience of Japan's infrastructure in the face of such a devastating earthquake and tsunamis. Their work to prepare for `the big one' has saved many lives and much of the built environment. I've just read a news release from the Canon company saying that Canon Inc headquarters and the Canon Group subsidiary locations in Japan did not suffer major damage to any buildings or factories as a result of the earthquake and tsunami. It was was forced to halt production at some of its manufacturing plants after power failures and12 employees suffered minor injuries.


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Stanley
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Posted - 14/03/2011 : 03:07
Jack building a shed woke me up but I was in bed early so we can have a bull day on the Calf Hall minutes!

They're beginning to find large numbers of bodies now as they get better access to  remote areas in Japan. Stock market fell 5% on opening but the central banks stepped in and injected a lot of money. All told they are working well, very disciplined. Did you see the report the other day of the people fleeing on foot who stopped at the pedestrian crossingand waited for the green signal even though there was no traffic?


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Posted - 14/03/2011 : 20:05
I found something interesting about California's Mountain Pass rare earth mine. As we know, China has cornered the market in rare earths (essential for manufacture of most of the gadgets in modern use as well as military applications and in hospital scanners etc). It dropped the price so much that mines in other countries were shut down, including Mountain Pass. The US has now made a big fanfare out of announcing the re-opening of Mountain Pass recently. What I found (and which doesn't seem to get mentioned amidst all the excitement) is that China almost managed to buy the mine a few years ago. The US government only manged to stop the sale at the last minute. Also, despite all the trumpeting about the US going back into production, the mine will only provide the crude ore - which will be shipped to China for refining because there is now no facility in the USA!


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Stanley
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Posted - 15/03/2011 : 04:26
I was watching the images on TV last night of the Japanese power stations going down and wondered what the result would be of a proper cost/benefit analysis and carbon footprint footprint would be compared with the same power output from a modern coal-fired generating complex. Somehow I don't think the figures would be quite as loaded towards nuclear if that was done now.

I notice that Saudi, after stamping on their own protests on March 11th have sent troops into Bahrein.  The US government say that they weren't warned, the Crown Prince was negotiating with the protestors against the advice of his foreign minister. This is the strongest evidence yet of instability in the region and the ruling monarchy's collective concerns. Their structures are cracking. The markets will take this more seriously than Libya, watch the oil price. Add in the factor of the fall back in the Tokyo stock exchange. The third largest economy in the world is on the ropes. Remember what I keep saying about external shocks?


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frankwilk
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Posted - 15/03/2011 : 07:05
Don't forget Japan has no natural resources so it can't be dependant on anyone else, that's one of the reason why it went Nuclear. You can't figure that into a carbon footprint analysis !!!!
I also wonder how much green house gas  Japan has saved the world by being Nuclear ?? Having said that I would have though they would have factured in a tsunami in the earthquake equation!!!!

Edited by - frankwilk on 15/03/2011 08:01:36 AM



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frankwilk
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Posted - 15/03/2011 : 09:05
With regards to the Middle East  the Monarchs need to get a grip or soon we will have a Secretarian/ Civil  War across the region. No one could have expected anything else from the Saudi's backing up another Sunni Monarch. It all needs change, but it also needs to be a slower process Look what's happening in Libya when a Dictator/Monarch refuses to roll over. Egypt has changed ??
No only the military now run the place like they did before, but without Mubarack to give them a repectable face to deal with the UN USA etc.

Sunni v Shia  is what the Middle East is all about, no doubt Iran will be in the thick of it all causing trouble !!



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Tizer
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Posted - 15/03/2011 : 09:36
Frank, Japan did factor in tsunamis and earthquakes when designing their nuclear power stations. The trouble is there can always be a bigger tsunami or earthquake than the one you've factored in. And the stations are 40 years old now, built at a time when the Earth was in a less feverish state. The only alternative would have been for Japan to not build nuclear power stations - if you build them on one of the biggest and most active tectonic subduction zones on the planet then you are asking for trouble. This would have happened some time, if not now. I guess we should be pleased to see how well the old power stations have survived such a major disaster rather than getting agitated about the safety of nuclear power. It's not the power stations that were at fault but the decision to locate them on a subduction zone.

It would be interesting to know the assessment of how well other forms of power generation would have fared in this disaster. Would the giant wind turbines have fallen in the quake or the tsunami? I expect wave power installations would have taken a battering. Hydro-electric can be the biggest danger of the lot and harm far more people than nuclear. A quake like this one in China near one of their gigantic HE installations could send a freshwater tsunami all the way down the Yellow River to the ocean and could drown millions of people on the way.


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Posted - 15/03/2011 : 10:00
Tizer, i know you know  a lot, but you can't surely be suggesting that a tsunami formed by a hydro electric plant would kill more people that a nuclear explosion.. I know we are all pretending that Japan hasn't had or will not have one, but if it did the deaths would go on for generations, as they sadly, already know.


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