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karlelden
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I'm just beginning to explore this amazing website, and I put "engine" in your search engine and came up with a BUNCH of hits. I started looking around and decided you people are living in the tall corn compared with us in the US. I have maybe 2 decent larger stationary steam engines to look at in a 200 mile radius. At first glance I thought you were in Hawg Heaven. Looked to me like you had MANY significant preserved engines.
However, I then came upon a picture of the Leigh Mill engine, went to Google to check it out, and came up with this from 1995:
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba1/ba1news.html
Down past the news about how skulls used to contain brains is this bit of stuff about the Leigh Mill:
"A rare example of an intact traditional spinning-mill, near Wigan in Greater Manchester, is under threat from a proposal to remove the original mill engine from the building.
The early 20th century, listed Grade II* Leigh Mill, with its surviving engine house and engine, is still used as a factory and now manufactures carpets. The owners, Leigh Spinners Ltd, applied for permission to remove the original engine to create more storage space.
Their application went to public inquiry in November, and John Gummer, the Environment Secretary, is expected to decide the matter later this year.
Speaking at the inquiry on behalf of the CBA, Ron Fitzgerald, an industrial archaeologist, said the importance of the 1923 engine was enhanced by its `extremely rare' survival in its original context. `Out of 238 listed mills in the north, only six engines survive,' he said. "
So, does anyone know if this is true? Are there only 6 surviving mill engines? And does anyone know what finally happened to this engine in the Leigh Mill?
Karl
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Stanley
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Posted - 16/01/2008 : 07:50
By the way, first time I've seen Uncle Mort mentioned by anyone else. One of Tinniswood's finest characters. "Bugger the sun, spoils a good day out, give me a drizzle any day, you know where you are with that". "I blame the motorways....." Wonderful stuff!
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renewablejohn
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 15:52
I am another newby following in asquiths footsteps from practical machinist however as I live in lancashire I thought I had better introduce myself.
As from the name I am into renewable energy using woodchip as the main fuel instead of coal. At present I am in the process of moving two Bellis and Morcom engines into lancashire for a combined heat and power station. each engine will generate approx 300kw of electric. As soon as all the details are finalised I will reveal more and hopefully post pictures of the engines being installed.
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Ringo
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 15:53
Welcome to the Madhouse
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Asquith
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 21:47
Thanks for the welcome.
Stanley, Thanks for your steelworks stories. I posted a link to your comments in the 'Rolling Mill Steam Engines' thread in the Practical Machinist forum.
Regards,
John.
I heard that. Pardon?
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Stanley
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Posted - 22/02/2008 : 08:24
Nice piece by Chris Hodrien in the ISSES bulletin Vol. 29 nunber 3 (If you aren't a member, join now!) on the Yates engine that used to be at Green Brothers , Abbey mills, Whalley. It's been scrapped. However he metioned that the variable cut-off gear on the HP was Varley's and this interests me because it is the same gear as the Jubilee engine. Knowing nowt about variable cut-off on slide valves I always lazily assumed that the gear was Meyer. Now I have been alerted I I want to know more about the Varley gear. I have asked Chris but I'm asking you lot as well. Get digging and let me know all you can about the gear!
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Stanley
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Posted - 22/02/2008 : 08:26
Here's the business end of the gear........
Stanley Challenger Graham
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softsuvner
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 00:12
Stanley
I've been meaning to join the ISSES (and its predecessor SERG) for years. My only excuse is that I already pay subs to too many organisations for bikes! Sad to see another engine gone, time is thinning their ranks. This one had been stored in bits for many years which always increases the risk, parts get lost, and the people with the skill to reassemble it grow fewer each year. GW just talks about cross cut-off valves on the HP cylinder. I believe the Abbey Mills engine had a form of double governer, one part being an overspeed governor on the throttle valve, the second part altering the cut-off through a system of friction drive cones which lengthened or shortened a threaded link to the the inlet valve drive. Looking at your picture, it must be some kind of rider valve arrangement on the back of the main slide valve. The only mention of a Varley that I can find, is a Joseph Varley who was an "erector" for Boulton and Watt in the 1790's. I suppose he was the sort of person who may have developed the skills to design a patent valve gear, William Murdock certainly did, and he served in the same situation slightly earlier. I understand that much of the records for Yates (and Yates and Thom) were destroyed by fire, but some stuff was lodged with Blackburn Public Library when Y & T closed in the 1970's. Presumably there was a patent application sometime. I will be interested to see what other people can come up with.
Malcolm
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Stanley
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 07:24
You're right about the governor. Here it is. The coned friction drive operated the linkage to the cit-off motion. It would almost certainly be a slide valve with sliding components to alter the events. I'd just like to know more.......
Stanley Challenger Graham
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softsuvner
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 15:51
Stanley
The later type governors always fox me! I've stared at this picture for a long time and I think I've got it. The large Porter-type Governor is for the cut-off, the lower one is the overspeed control. I assume that the horizontal cone is spring-loaded with a sliding shaft joint the other side of the stand, before it engages the gear wheel which runs on the threaded shaft.
I've dug out a GW photo of the engine and it looks like the stop valve is vertically-mounted at the end of the HP cylinder, incorporated in the lagging. There is another gear wheel on top of that, presumably engaging the overspeed side of the governor.
Have to stop now, the smell of warm oil tells me that the overalls are nicely warmed on the radiator, and the workshop is calling me!
Malcolm
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 15:55
Forgot to mention, in your photo the cut-off is disconnected at the small gear end. Presumably part of the engine shut-down procedure.
Did Newton ever have anything to say about this engine, don't remember it from the interviews?
Malcolm
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Stanley
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 05:37
Here's a pic of the HP and stop valve. The pulley and wire going to a weight in the cellar is part of the stop motion. No butterfly to my recollection. Newton's comments about Jubilee were confined to the flywheel coming loose at one time and in the latter days the problems they had with the flyshaft bearing on the LP side which when we took it to bits we found was a combination of cracked bottom brasses and the engine having subsided at that side to the cheeks of the journal were digging into the brass.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Stanley
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Posted - 27/02/2008 : 06:53
Geoff came up with this advert from the Textile Times in March 1885.
very similar to the Jubilee gear but with what looks like a steam driven actuator instead of the gearing arrangement on the Jubilee governor. I am still digging.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Stanley
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 16:54
I have bad news and good news..... I have been diverted from the shed by starting to transcribe Arthur Robert's Black Book. It's descriportions of engines he visited in the 1960s in company with Edgar Brook and Arnold Throp. All handwritten and so a slow job but I promise you'll forgive me when it's done. Just a matter of getting my head down.....
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Stanley
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Posted - 06/05/2008 : 06:19
Almost 20% transcribed. Slow but steady. Good stuff and you have to admire their dedication.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Stanley
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Posted - 17/05/2008 : 07:20
About 50% done...... It ain't easy!!!!!
Stanley Challenger Graham
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