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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
NEW VERSION TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MEMBERS WITH SLOW CONNECTIONS TO CONNECT.

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Stanley Challenger Graham




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frankwilk
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 09:02
Belle I was using your post as an example that was all. I think the example used of the Boy who learnt the Guitar was an Exception rather than the Norm.
Stanley, You never said why  we scrapped  Grammar Schools  ?? was it Political or was it to Advance Education ??

I see you have all shyed away from what we are going to do with Old People, Us included

Edited by - frankwilk on 31/12/2010 10:05:07 AM



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frankwilk
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 10:10
Frank, you mentioned plagiarism. I see Lord Ashcroft is reported as having written a nice letter to Marion Hebblethwaite and included a cheque for £1500 for 'taking advantage of your research'. Marion wrote the definitive 9 volume account of the George Cross and its recipients. Now why did he do that?

Because he is a Nice Guy.
Almost everything written that is not Fiction, has to include using some research by others as long as that research is recognised it's fine. £1500 is that recognition !!!! 



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Tizer
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 11:13
"Ask any oil man or submariner who measures his position to 5cm how useful they are and then look to see who the people were who invented and improved the technology. Kids playing with computers." - Stanley

If we are talking GPS then I don't think "kids playing with computers" fits the bill. The GPS (Global Positioning System) was invented by Dr Ivan Getting of Raytheon Corporation at a cost of $12 billion at the request of the US Department of Defense to meet an Air Force requirement for a guidance system to be used with a proposed ICBM that would achieve mobility by travelling on a railroad system. Ivan Getting was born in 1912 in New York City. He attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology as an Edison Scholar, receiving his Bachelor of Science in 1933. Following his undergraduate study at MIT, he was a Graduate Rhodes scholar at Oxford University. He was awarded a PhD in Astrophysics in 1935. In 1951, Ivan Getting became the vice president for engineering and research at the Raytheon Corporation.
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"..do you really think a world renowned speaker in Education is going to invent a story to back up his argument.." - Belle

World renowned climate scientists are accused of it all the time!

Edited by - Tizer on 31/12/2010 11:25:59


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belle
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 11:41
Yeah but scientists are always inventing things!


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catgate
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 15:21


quote:
belle wrote:
Plenty of people are self educated, yes there needs to be something to trigger that spark of wanting to know more, to learn,but in my experience teachers are just as likely to quench it as to fan the fires!

Edited by - belle on 30/12/2010 11:27:09 PM

I think education is a bit like gardening in some ways. Each variety of plant has its own requirements and try as one might on can not get the "fruit" without  the correct and appropriate nurturing. Taking a turnip out of the ground for an examination, to see how much fertilizer it has consumed is the way to failure.

There are lots of people who should never be let loose in a garden, and do as one will they can never be altered.


Every silver lining has a cloud.


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belle
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 16:55
The other problem has always been the one size fits all approach...in a room full of 30 people there are 30 different ways of learning, not to mention several levels of ability, teachers are set up to fail by this method. i learn by asking questions...never went down well with any of my teachers either at school or uni, I was even told by one tutor in my first year.. that's a third year question...and it was dismissed.


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Phil
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 17:17
The move to comprehensive education came about through the usual engine of change in the uk, the middle classes. As more "poor children" passed the eleventh plus, the less able children of the middle classes became squeezed out of what was seen as thier right, and a small but effective pressure group campained for the change to be brought about. This was in the late fifties and early sixties when the baby boomer years were reaching their peak. The change did come about during the time that labour were in office but there is no doubt that whoever was in power then the change to comprehensive education would have been made due to problems with school places. Other schemes that were tried to solve the shortage of places were the middle schools system that ran in places like Leeds.


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catgate
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 17:55


quote:
belle wrote:
i learn by asking questions...never went down well with any of my teachers either at school or uni, I was even told by one tutor in my first year.. that's a third year question...and it was dismissed.

I had a brother-in-law who was an art teacher. He said one day that he was starting to teach maths to a junior form because it would give him a bit more income.

I said, "But Roger your are an art teacher, how are you going to teach maths?"

He said, "Well I have the sylabus and I will just swat-up before each lesson."

May be you got the same sort of  tutor !!


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catgate
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Posted - 31/12/2010 : 17:59


quote:
Phil wrote:
The move to comprehensive education came about through the usual engine of change in the uk, the middle classes. As more "poor children" passed the eleventh plus, the less able children of the middle classes became squeezed out of what was seen as thier right, and a small but effective pressure group campained for the change to be brought about. This was in the late fifties and early sixties when the baby boomer years were reaching their peak. The change did come about during the time that labour were in office but there is no doubt that whoever was in power then the change to comprehensive education would have been made due to problems with school places. Other schemes that were tried to solve the shortage of places were the middle schools system that ran in places like Leeds.

Do you have a great uncle called Lewis?


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Stanley
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 08:00
Tiz, I was thinking about Nasnet. Perfected by a lot of cooperation between young software engineers and perfected by Nautronix. Harry and Janet were heavily involved, that's how I know about it. The improved technology could be said to have revolutionised accurate underwater positioning for the oil industry and battle space management for submarines.

Heard Cameron's thoughts about 2011. Pious hopes but no certainties. I hope he is right but I have grave doubts. We shall see but in my opinion rhey have moved too far and too fast and despite what he said there is much change driven by Tory DNA. 2011 could be a rough ride.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 10:46
You don't need a crystal ball to know 2011 is going to be difficult. Someone has to clean up/pay for  the mess of the Deficit/Debt left by the last Labour Goverment , who don't have any ideas on how to clean it all up.



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Tizer
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 11:31
I don't need a crystal ball to predict the tone of this thread in 2011!  lolol


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tripps
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 13:36
Some interesting Barnoldswick items on ebay at the moment.  Some personal documents from a Beatrice Pickering at 21 Cobden Street,  and part of a compressor hub from an RB211 jet engine.  Only £2750!   Not sure how they got it out of the factory!


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Phil
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 14:35
As in Charles Dodgeson, Catty?


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Bodger
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 21:30
Without being too otentatious, i'm sat here writing this with a bottle of "bubbly", smoked salmon , scrambled eggs , & home made brown bread, and it got me thinking how much we take for granted, my parents probably never heard of salmon unless it was in a John West tin, we now regulary eat "steak" , i did'nt know there was meat other than the Sunday joint, chops or mince, in the future were to be,  lobster, scampi, oysters, pat'e,, food that i had never heard of untill i was past my twenties, and actually going out for a family meal, the nearest we ever got was a picnic with potted meat sandwiches.

So were the old days better ?


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