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waynelund
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I would like to trace my abovementioned ancestors prior to their renting Harden New Hall in the latter part of the 18th Century. After leaving Kelbrook they rented Snowhill Farm and The Old Hall in Bolton from the Lever family (of Unilever fame). Old family stories have it that they fitted their cattle with leather shoes for the journey from Kelbrook to Bolton, to prevent the cattle becoming lame on the cobble stones.
On their marriage on 2 March 1813, Matthew is listed as a hatter and Ellen (nee Parke) a spinster from Harden. The next year when they gave birth to Sarah, Matthew is listed as a farmer...suggesting perhaps that Matthew married into a farming family....the Parkes.
Can anyone help me with this?
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waynelund
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Posted - 17/10/2011 : 11:25
Wendy - thanks for the fascinating link to the taxes due by Matthew. I have printed it out and will include it in the family "archives". Matthews birth year of 1788 would make sense as his wife , Ellen, was born in 1792.
Matthews son, Mark, was born at Harden New Hall in 1815 but married Alice Hulton in Ainsworth in 1837 and it was at Ainsworth that their son, Abraham was born....so the move to the Bolton area probably took place between 1815 and 1837.
Abraham was living at Darcy Lever Old hall according to the 1881 Census. I note, with some sorrow, that a domestic servant living in his household, Mary Barrows, was only eleven years old. Poor child!
Thanks again for your assistance.
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waynelund
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Posted - 17/10/2011 : 11:28
Wendy - I forgot to ask you where Harden is. I can see a "Harden Road" in Kelbrook, but no Harden!
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Posted - 17/10/2011 : 13:20
Thats an interesting question Wayne. It really doesn't exist on maps anymore, and you cant drive through it. It is the clough to the east of Kelbrook, bounded on the north by Stoneybank/Bleara Road which comes from Earby, on the east by the old Skipton to Colne Road, and on the South, partly by the old Yorks/Lancs boundary and Kelbrook Moor.
If you take a walk up Heads Lane from Kelbrook, past Heads House, you would have seen, up the hill to your left, Harden Hall, now demolished, then Copy House, Cocket, Harden Old House and Blearaside. Go south to the other side of the valley, and there is Higher Burnt Hill, Lower Burnt Hill, Brown Hill, Kitchen & a detour to Scald Bank. Back down the clough to Harden Clough, & Harden New Hall then out on the track to Thick Bank, and I think you are back in Kelbrook.
Harden New Hall sits below a steep hillside, with fields called High Harden, Green Harden & Black Harden. You can just see it in down in the bottom on this photo just above the light blue car.
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waynelund
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Posted - 17/10/2011 : 13:41
Thanks Wendy.
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moh
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 10:34
Lovely photo Wendy, brought back many happy memories of walking and playing in the cloughs. Re. William Wainman - do you know if he had any family? Hubby's gt. gt. grandfather was called William Wainman.
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 11:50
I only know the details of the estate inheritance Moh. Richard Wainman 1705 - 1790, came into the estate through marriage to Elizabeth Bradley, they had a son William 1741 - 1818, whose eldest son Richard Bradley Wainman 1783 - 1842 passed the estate on to his son William Bradley Wainman 1812 - 1872. This William only had daughters.
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 13:28
I just wanted to make sure I was following the correct line - they came from Syke, in the Trough of Bowland but at the moment no paper proof apart from the census forms.
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Posted - 19/10/2011 : 14:20
1851 Census for Harden New Hall.
Matthew Lund Head 62 Farmer 75 acres 2 Labourers. Born Thornton in Craven.
Ellen Lund Wife 59 Born Preston.
Ellen Lund Dau 23 Power Loom Weaver
Alice Lund Dau 14 Power Loom Weaver
Matthew Lund G/son 8 Ag Lab
Peggy Silcock Dau 28 Dress Maker
Henry Parker Servant 35 Sheperd Born Heptonstall
Heziciah Sharp Lodger 42 Chelsea Pensioner Born Carlton
So Ellen wasn't born locally after all!
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waynelund
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Posted - 19/10/2011 : 16:57
Hello Wendy,
Many thanks for the info. His farm doesn't seem that small so I assume he probably became a fulltime farmer after working as a hatter. I note that he empoyed a "shepherd" which probably means that he farmed mostly sheep which is contrary to family legend that he, or his son Mark, drove cattle to Bolton......although he possibly farmed both, but I remember reading somewhere that farming both cattle and sheep is often problematic. It could be that he combined both faming and work as a hatter as I believe the hats they made in Kelbrook at that time were made of wool.
The Census appears to be implying that poor little grandson Matthew was a agricultural labourer...if that is what Ag Lab means. What could an eight year old contribute to farm work?
And yes, Ellen Parke is a Preston girl.....a Lancashire Lass.
Would the power weaving be using cotton? Was wool weaved?
It's all so interesting and raises as many questions as it answers.
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Posted - 19/10/2011 : 18:08
I missed out the word "Delaines" from after the occupation description. Delaine, I believe, was a fine woollen cloth.
They would probably have kept a few cows as well as sheep Wayne. Most of that 75 acres would have been on that steep north facing hillside, so not a lot of good grazing for cattle.
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waynelund
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Posted - 19/10/2011 : 18:21
Wendy - looking at your pic, it is steep.
Do you think that Delaine could be used in the making of hats?
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Posted - 19/10/2011 : 18:46
There is a good description of the hatters trade in this topic
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Matthew (Died 1871) and Ellen Lund(1792-1860)
