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Callunna
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Posted -  02/11/2011  :  12:53
Came up in conversation today about whether it should be spelled Barlick or Barlic. 

Someone mentioned the food shop Barlic Bites and said wasn't it strange how they got away with spelling it wrong.

However, I have a press cutting from the Craven Herald of 1914 which spells the town's nickname without a K and many locals also spell it that way. 

It's always been with a K for me, but if this turned out to be the modern spelling then I'd be happy to accept a non-K version.

Does anyone have any strong evidence for either way? 
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panbiker
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 09:35
Lancashire County Councils Young Peoples Service references all the services activities for young women organised in the town as taking place at Barlic. All links and tabs are also referenced with the same spelling.

Curious, I found this from a Google search

Lancashire County Councils Young Peoples Service

 


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 09:44
Ah well that's Lancashire, this is Yorkshire!!!
I have just come across the term "Barlickians" whilst working on my CPGW topic.



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elise
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 10:24
A History Of Barnoldswick - Rev. J.H.Warner

page 4

 "... or if you have been initiated into one of its mysteries you will call it "Barlick".

 QED. 


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Tizer
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 10:57
I've only just read through this thread, and I'm not from Barlic(k) and don't live in Barlic(k) but I'll throw in my two-penneth anyway and then stand well back!

If the spelling `Barlick' is by far the most common usage now, then it would be best to stay with it. Introducing variants of the spelling will only make it more difficult for folk in the future to search for information about Barnoldswick. If i put Barlic into Google I don't get anything on Barnoldswick. Add the `k' and I get this site, the wikipedia page for Barlick, Barlick brewery and...Pluggy!

Incidentally, my local town is spelt `Bridgwater', or at least it is at the moment. In the past it has alternated between Bridgwater and Bridgewater. There are people who think it should have the extra `e' in the middle because the town has a bridge over the river. But the historians will tell you the name derives from about 1200 when there was a dock (brig) owned by a Norman called Walter, it's really the `brig of walter'. You didn't really need to know all that did you (but at least it's not politics or engineering!)


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Whyperion
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 11:10
Always thought Docks and Bridges were engineering.  Anyway the take-away ( sandwich shop ) presumably was named to rhyme with garlic bites , those funny toasted snaxs of a few years ago suitable as a substitute for crips in a lunchbox.
English we should be happy can be spelt phonically from a variety of printed vowels and constanants and we can still generally understand the point the writer is trying to make.


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 11:17
I understand that "Barlic Bites" is to have some more competition and in the same block, yes another butty shop, or should that be buttie? that will be three within yards of each other. There is also to be a sandwich counter in the new Spar on Skipton Rd.!!


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Callunna
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 11:26
Thanks for all your contributions - keep 'em coming (if only to prove Another wrong ... only teasing, Colin ... I know your sense of humour will take it Wink)

What's interesting - if perhaps a little disturbing - is that people seem to think there's a conflict going on between those who want a K and those who don't.

There's no such problem. A question can be raised without people needing to polarise the situation or create a Them & Us environment.

I'm just interested in the subject and wanted to explore how our town's name has appeared over the years. I don't want to start a campaign for it to be formalised either way.

It's true I have an off-the-wall, totally unproved theory which is unlikely ever to gain credence. But hey - since when did I ever worry about coming across as a nutter? (Well, every other day, actually...)

Cally's Theory of Her Town's Original Name: Old Norse/Old English word for the crop of barley is 'boerlic' (with the o and e being jammed together - there's a technical term for it). Was this what our area was called before the Domesday Book wrote down whatever the scribe had been told on the particular day he visited? Like Barley, at the foot of Pendle?

Probably not - but I like to think old traditions live on through the generations and maybe Barlic(k) and Barnoldswick have entirely different origins.

So, keep examples coming if you find any. And no falling out, OK?


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Another
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 11:38
I'm not upset at being shown to be wrong at all. Nolic





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Tizer
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 12:18
Perhaps all those instances of Barlic are just due to people whose letter `K' has failed on the keyboard?


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Callunna
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 16:46
"... K failed n keyboard"

Could be - were the CHSC minutes typed?

On the other hand, maybe some folk think the K-less version is a bit posher?

If I were to open a clothes shop I'd call it Barlique Boutique and make it even more exotique. 

Or an off-licence: Barliquor.

Once, when I was a student away in the big city, I had a sudden burst of homesickness and painted myself a T-shirt (yes, young 'uns, this was in the days before personal computers and inkjet printers) It read:

I'm A Barlicker

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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 16:52


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thomo wrote:
I understand that "Barlic Bites" is to have some more competition and in the same block, yes another butty shop, or should that be buttie? that will be three within yards of each other. There is also to be a sandwich counter in the new Spar on Skipton Rd.!!

I was led to believe it will not be selling sandwiches, it's just to be a "deli". 


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Sue
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 17:15
I would imagine it used to be Barlic as so many thinks were spelt phoenetically until the late 1800s


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elise
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 17:54
The 1543 Lay Subsidy for the Wapentake of Staincliffe:

Villat de Barlewik 

 

The Ks have it !


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Callunna
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 19:15
...or, one could start to make out a tentative case for Barlic(k) being the original name or perhaps the name of a nearby area within the town?

Pure speculation of course. Totally bonkers others might say.

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elise
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 19:24
Moi?

Honest. See Early Tudor Craven Subsidies and Assessments in library 


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