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Stanley
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Posted -  11/01/2009  :  06:04
New Year, new topic. If you want to see the old one do a forum search for same title but 2008.


Stanley Challenger Graham




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frankwilk
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Posted - 01/05/2009 : 14:38
What strikes me is the £2k bill for a year.
Stanley it is our son. He takes 20 minute Showers ( gas ), and the Washing Machine and Tumble Drier never stop. In fact the last time he was away for a fortnight and then returned, I could hear the machines groaning.
Still it means when he completes his degree he won't be in debt, because he did 9 years in the RAF they pay his Uni Fees. His RMR pay is for his personal use, and he has no Housing costs because I pay the Gas and Electricity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Oh and he uses Val's car most of the time, but he does pay his own petrol.



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HerbSG
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 01:23
Wolf, my dad used to say the same thing, he was with them in Burma.


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Stanley
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 06:00
Never mind Frank, when he's on a big screw he'll look after you in your old age!

I was struck this morning by a news item on the World Service where the announcer used the phrase 'deadly virus' to describe H1N1. Apart from being inaccurate it is unhelpful to use language like that.


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Stanley
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Posted - 03/05/2009 : 10:06
I see that as part of the withdrawal 'celebrations' from Basra the news has featured the war memorial near Basra commemorating those who died in the 1914/1921 Iraq campaign. Saddam Hussein had it moved out into the desert. What nobody has mentioned is that it was during this campaign that Lt. Harris vurtually invented aerial bombing and used it on the Kurdish villages that refused to pay taxes. It was commented at the time that the tactic of bombing and then machine-gunning the villagers as they fled was 'very effective'. At the same time we used mustard gas on the Marsh Arabs. Abolished the old kingdoms of Mespotamia and installed a puppet king and said that tribal and religious divisions were no great problem. Ah well, I long since despaired of our politicians reading history or taking any note of it.


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Tizer
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Posted - 03/05/2009 : 11:52
Frank, perhaps you should point out to your son that there is evidence that prolonged and repeated exposure to the chemicals in shampoos and soap gels etc can have a feminising effect on men.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 03/05/2009 : 12:07
He just stands under the shower relaxing his muscles, plus the fact he is bigger than me so I'm not going to tell him.



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Stanley
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Posted - 04/05/2009 : 07:38
Apart from that Tiz prolonged exposure to hot water washes essential oils out of the skin and can lead to dermatological problems. As for the chemicals, I have recounted the dangers of using powerful germicidal soaps before, they were marketed on the basis that clean young men attracted females and over-use caused a form of dermatitis. In the early days of feodorants I started using them but my wife told me that she had never noticed my body odour before I used them but after I started to join the revolution she said I smalled worse! I stopped using them and subsequently found that we have very efficient cleansing bacteria on our skin and the deodorants damage them and make the problem worse. Besides, haven't they heard about pheremones? We tend not to talk about these things but it is well documented that in days long gone many women found that transferring bodily fluids from intimate areas to behind the ears was very effective. Sorry if that image disturbs you but if you think about it what could be nearer to nature in terms of generating attraction?

I see that the growth of the rat population is hitting the headlines again. Rats occasionally visit my back yard by swimming through the u bend in the outside drain and pushing the plastic grid out of the way. The council used to dose my manhole in the yard regularly and always got a good take of the bait. They tell me now that there is a limit to how many times they can use the bait in one location due to regulations. There's little doubt that the sewers in our area have a vigorous population. I find that a bit of neat Jeyes Fluid down the trap deters them for a while.

Baby biscuits and rusks. Some biscuits have been withdrawn because they contain trans-fats, mostly hydrogenated oil. Farley's Rusks have 25% sugar but the makers say they have been a favourite weaning food for  120 years and they are not going to change them. I can still remember the taste of Farley's and I used to love them. I have a very clear memory of being pushed in my pram down Norris Avenue in Stockport while sucking one of them.


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Posted - 04/05/2009 : 09:16
I was a bit previous with the rat! The little (or big) bugger was in the yard as I wrote! I have put a large stone on the grid, if it lifts that up we really are in trouble!


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frankwilk
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Posted - 04/05/2009 : 13:51
What I liked about the Rusk's revalation in the News that. We/ They have discovered that Rusk's contain 50 % sugar.
You mean to say someone read the Label so that is now Uncovered well I never.



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Tizer
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Posted - 04/05/2009 : 16:26
I'm dubious about the quality of the information and claims from the organisation behind the story, Sustain. I can't get their original information at the moment because their web site is down. But to say a food is dangerous because it contains trans fat is nonsense, even when we are talking about baby food. It is only a concern if there is excessive trans fat, and that the trans fat is industrially produced and not the natural and healthy trans fat which is present in all full-fat dairy foods and ingedients. Even industrially-produced trans fats are not poisons if present at low levels in food. The trouble is that we can now detect microscopic amounts of practically anything in food, and the consumer pressure groups take advantage of this to give the impression of "poisons in our foods!!". One of the criticised products contained trans fat because it contained cheese, a dairy product - of course it has trans fat, but it is natural, healthy trans fat!


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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 00:04
You have me confused here Tizer. I was led to believe Trans fat was the term used for man made substances, used to turn fattty foods into plastic like balls so that they could be stored for longer periods in the days of food mountains. the trouble with them is that the body doesn't recognise them and therefore doesn't process them properly and they have now realised that it is these trans fats, not the natural fats in dairy products, that are most likely clogging arteries and causing heart disease to increase. I didn't know there were any natural trans fats.


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Stanley
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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 07:30
That's the value of having Tiz on the site. He shines a little light into these corners of knowledge Belle. Best way I know to identify the probable presence of bad trans fats is that if it's a natural product it's OK. If it's in a packet and has been processed don't eat it. In fact, don't eat anything that has to have a label showing ingredients on it.

I noted that some hedge funds are reporting amazing profits from betting on share prices rising. One has increased its capital by 30%. Consider where this money came from. The bank shares fell and the hedgers bought at the bottom, we pumped billions into the banks, the share price recovered, the hedgers sold and because of the sale the bank shares fell slightly. End result, money from taxpayers transferred to hedge funds. I may be a bit thick but isn't this part of what got us into the mess we are in? Why are they still allowed to do it. Be sure that for every case of profit reported there are scores or hundreds of trades we never hear of. Time for some action?

Godran tries to 'move on' by announcing educational policy. Meanwhile the teachers are in revolt over sats tests and he faces another revolt over Post Office privatisation. The Mandy argument is that unless private money is put into the PO it will be bankrupt. Nonsense! The function of government is to make sure that essential services run properly and if needed subsidise them whilst running them responsibly. If the private sector gets in profits will be syphoned off to shareholders, prices will rise anyway and we will be subsidising the privateers. If you doubt this, have a look at the railways, if there was ever an argument against privatisation this is it. We are putting four times as much subsidy into the rail network than we ever did under nationalisation. It's another con-trick.


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handlamp
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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 15:17
A very wise last paragraph, Stanley but it seems that, in spite of plenty of evidence to the contrary, particularly on the rail system, none of today's politicians are prepared to contest the now established idea that - private good, public hopeless. One is left to conclude that there must be a surfeit of `back-handers' somewhere


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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 17:21
Belle, there has been lots of misinformation on trans fats because the people writing it have not taken the trouble to find out what it is really about. The concern is with industrially hydrogenated fats. When we were all told to stop eating saturated fats the food manufacturers had to look for other ingredients with physical characteristics similar to those of saturated fats - otherwise there would have been no margarine or pastry for instance. Hydrogenation was already used to give oils the physical characteristics of solid fats, so it was taken up as the way to make alternatives to saturates. Nobody knew or expected there to be any health problem - they had been used in food for a long time but in smaller amounts.

During hydrogenation some of the fatty acid molecules are changed from what is called a "cis"  shape to a "trans" shape. It was later found that some of these trans fatty acids carried a health risk. That is why food companies have been changing their food products to remove hydrogenated fats. But the media and pressure groups got hold of the idea and have assumed that all trans fatty acids must be bad and that they are all "artificial" or industrially produced. Not so. Trans fatty acids are naturally present in ruminant animals because the ruminant stomach does its own hydrogenation of oils in its food. Therefore trans acids are naturally present in all full-fat dairy foods and ruminat-derived meat, and always have been. The ruminant hydrogenation results in trans acids different from those produced in industrial hydrogenation, and ruminant trans fatty acids are not only safe but are beneficial to human health. These ruminant trans fatty acids are known (from their molecular structure) as conjugated linoleic acids, usually abbreviated to CLA, and these compounds appear to have anti-cancer properties in humans.

The regulatory authorities are faced with the problem of having to find ways to ban trans acids from hydrogenation while allowing those from dairy products and meat.

I hope this helps dispel the confusion.


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belle
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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 19:42
No confusion..we are both saying the same thing...in label terms the word trans fat refers to fatty acids changed by man made hydrogenation, natural "trans fats" are known as conjugated linoleic acid.


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