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peteaharrison
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Posted -  08/04/2008  :  00:55
Back in 1921 my grandfather Matthew Harrison left Barlick and set off for Australia.
 
I have recently found very brief details from the passenger list of SS Themistocles on which he sailed from London on the 7th December 1921.  His address is given as Craven House, Newtown, Barnoldswick.  I'm aware that the offices of a firm of solicitors is now accommodated there, but does anyone know for what purpose the building was used in Matthew's time?  I had previously associated him with Park Road and Park Avenue.
 
Any information would be very much appreciated....  Pete (formerly of Barlick, now in Yeovil, Somerset) 

Edited by - peteaharrison on 08/04/2008 3:29:29 PM


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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 15:02
You are a mine of information Stanley


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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 16:22
Just an old fart with nothing better to do than trawl directories......  Besides, it's always nice when you learn something.  I never saw the evidence of the beer hoist 'til I looked at the building today. 


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peteaharrison
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 01:06
Sorry Stanley....you'd already said that the info was from that particular year's Kellys - I misread your comment.

I'm afraid it doesn't help matters that I am unfamiliar with the Newtown area.  Stanley mentions King Street and in particular 1a King Street....is this the address of Craven House? 

I have a CD of the 1936 Kellys directory for the West Riding of Yorkshire and at that time my great uncle Alfred Simpson (one time chairman of Barlick UDC) is listed as a Baker at 1 King Street.  Alf's wife Grace was a daughter of Elizabeth Ann Bowker.   Also recorded is a firm of Solicitors, Bracewell and Leaver, Craven ho.    It does appear that, in earlier years, a variety of businesses were conducted simultaneously within this building.

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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 08:00
Pete, look at the map.  Craven House could be at the end of Rainhall Road, King Street or Newtown as it is right on the junction.  As for multiple use, I'd be surprised if there wasn't more than one tenant, it is a big building and the outbuildings are bigger than any of the other houses around.  It's on the 1853 map and so was built before then and I would be interested in what it was originally built for.  If I was to guess I would say that whoever built it in the first place either wanted an imposing residence on the middle of town or was running an enterprise that needed a stable block and yard.  I suspect that the first change of use may have something to do with the period 1860/65; the Cotton Famine, when a lot of well-laid plans went astray.  As for Simpson being there as a baker at the same time as the solicitor, no problem as there is plenty of room.

I like flying kites based on the history so here's one for you.  The original quoin stones on the building are very bold and rough hewn.  They remind me of the ones on the old office block at Butts Mill.  One thing I've noted about the Bracewells is that they seemt have minimised architect's costs by using the same design more than once.  Walt Fisher once told me that there was a big resemblance between Wellhouse and Victoria at Earby and they used the same architect for Bank House as the Methodist chapel in Wapping.  Assume the date of build as being in the 1840s and ask yourself who were the movers and shakers in the town then.  Most likely suspect is William Bracewell of Newfield Edge, Billycock himself.  One other but not as likely would be Slater at Clough.  It would be interesting to see the deeds for the property and get a list of the owners.  I think a bit more furtling is indicated.....


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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 08:32
Pete, much of this will not be news to you but could be helpful for other Simpson researchers.

 

SIMPSON INDEX ENTRIES AS OF 10 April 2008

 

1848.

Edmund Simpson noted as elector of Barlick on a roll of 1848.  Address given as Lancaster.

 

1851 census

James Simpson, Rock Cottage, 65, limestone quarry man employing 20 men and farming 15 acres. Jane, wife, 58.  James, son, 26, limestone quarry worker.  Jane, daughter, 24.  Catherine, daughter, 23.  Thomas, son, 20, tin maker.  Chester, son, 14, scholar.

 

1851 census

William Simpson, Hill Top Farm, 36, limestone quarry labourer.  Christiana, wife, 36.  James, son, 12, apprentice limestone worker.  Nancy, daughter, 11.  Sarah Jane, daughter, 9.  Alice, daughter, 7.  William, son, 4.  Catherine, daughter, 1 year.

 

1857

Chester Simpson noted as Farmer in Barlick in a directory but no address given.

 

1871 census

James Simpson, Crook Carr Farm, 46, farmer of 118 acres. 

 

1871 census

Joseph Simpson, Cross Keys PH at East Marton, 48, innkeeper and farmer.

 

1896

Miss Emma Simpson noted as dressmaker, milliner and draper at 23(?) Newtown in Barrett directory of 1896.

 

1935

Alfred Simpson noted as Council Member 1935-1947.  Chairman 1942-43.  Was probation officer and died May 15 1956.  In Kelly for 1936 is noted as baker at 1 King Street. (Craven House which in 2008 is the offices of Walker Charlesworth and Foster, solicitors, at the head of Newtown)

 

2004

Dorothy Carthy told me that William Simpson used to have the butcher’s shop on Park Road at the bottom of Beech Street.  The previous butcher was Walyer Duxbury.

 

2005

Death of John Simpson at Bancroft.  21 June 1913-8 October 2005.

 

1841 CENSUS FOR BARLICK AND EARBY.

Simpson

James

50

ag lab

Longing

Simpson

Jane?

45

 

Longing

Simpson

James

15

ag lab?

Longing

Simpson

Catherine

13

 

Longing

Simpson

Thomas?

11

 

Longing

Simpson

(male)

9

 

Longing

Simpson

(male)

5

 

Longing

Simpson

(male)

2

 

Longing

Simpson?

William?

25

ag lab

Longing

Simpson?

Christiana

25

 

Longing

Simpson?

James

2

 

Longing

Simpson?

Nancy

1

 

Longing

 

1881 CENSUS FOR BARLICK AND EARBY.

Simpson

Abigail

 

 

 

Simpson

Abigail

49

Barnoldswick

Long Ing Cottage

Simpson

Ada

9

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

Alice

25

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

Alice

34

Barnoldswick

Lower Barnsay Cottages

Simpson

Ann

 

 

 

Simpson

Ann

24

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

Ann

41

Admergill

Lower Admergill

Simpson

Ann M.

 

 

 

Simpson

Annie

 

 

 

Simpson

Arthur

4

Barnoldswick

Hill St.

Simpson

Christiana

66

Barnoldswick

Lower Barnsay Cottages

Simpson

Elizabeth

 

 

 

Simpson

Elizabeth

67

Barnoldswick

Village

Simpson

Emily

 

 

 

Simpson

Emma

 

 

 

Simpson

Harriet

14

Barnoldswick

Long Ing Cottages

Simpson

Harrison

 

 

 

Simpson

Henrietta

 

 

 

Simpson

Henry

 

 

 

Simpson

Isabella (Bell)

22

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

James

17

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

James

22

Barnoldswick

Long Ing Cottages

Simpson

James

56

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

Jane

56

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

Jane Ann

 

 

 

Simpson

John

 

 

 

Simpson

John

69

Barnoldswick

Village

Simpson

Lilian

 

 

 

Simpson

Mary

24

Barnoldswick

Long Ing Cottages

Simpson

Mary Jane

 

 

 

Simpson

Micah  (Michah)

13

Barnoldswick

Long Ing Cottages

Simpson

Nathan

9

Barnoldswick

Long Ing Cottages

Simpson

Rhoda

17

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

Richard

49

Barnoldswick

Long Ing Cottages

Simpson

Sarah

36

Barnoldswick

Lower Barnsay Cottages

Simpson

Thomas

13

Kelbrook

Craven Heifer Inn

Simpson

Walter

 

 

 

Simpson

William

 

 

 

Simpson

William

 

 

 

Simpson

William

 

 

 

 

CENSUS FOR 1891 9Line up with 1881 for names)

0

Barnoldswick

Philip St.

59

Skipton

Hardcastle's Yard 25

 

 

 

 

 

 

46

Barnoldswick

York St.

27

Barnoldswick

Chapel St.

 

 

 

 

 

 

38

Barnoldswick

Well House Sq. 8

19

Barnoldswick

Garden St.

 

 

 

 

 

 

38

Earby

Wesley Place

 

 

 

19

Barnoldswick

Philip St.

25

Barnoldswick

Newtown 6

 

 

 

6

Barnoldswick

Long Ing

9

Barnoldswick

Well House Sq. 8

16

Barnoldswick

Well House Sq. 8

29

Skipton

Westmoreland St 47

 

 

 

32

Barnoldswick

Chapel St.

 

 

 

 

 

 

30

Barnoldswick

Long Ing

9

Barnoldswick

Long Ing

 

 

 

1mo

Barnoldswick

Long Ing

 

 

 

1

Barnoldswick

Philip St.

23

Barnoldswick

Philip St.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

48

Barnoldswick

York St.

 

 

 

11

Barnoldswick

Well House Sq. 8

3

Barnoldswick

Long Ing

15

Barnoldswick

York St.

32

Barnoldswick

Long Ing

 

L&Y strays 1891 census

Simpson

A. M.

Barnoldswick

28

Rotherham

Simpson

Abigail

Salterforth

49

Barnoldswick

Simpson

Arthur

Barnoldswick

20

Burnley

Simpson

Catherine

Barnoldswick

12

Great & Little Marsden

Simpson

Christiana

Barnoldswick

17

Great & Little Marsden

Simpson

Edwin

Barnoldswick

21

Blackburn

Simpson

Elizabeth E.

Barnoldswick

29

Habergham Eaves

Simpson

Harry

Barnoldswick

23

Preston

Simpson

Henry

Barnoldswick

6

Rotherham

Simpson

Isabella (Bell)

Bracewell

22

Kelbrook

Simpson

James

Barnoldswick

42

Great & Little Marsden

Simpson

John

Barnoldswick

13

Great & Little Marsden

Simpson

Margaret

Barnoldswick

38

Great & Little Marsden

Simpson

Mary

Barnoldswick

19

Great & Little Marsden

Simpson

Mary

Earby

32

Bradford

Simpson

Mary A.

Barnoldswick

21

Preston

Simpson

Sarah

Barnoldswick

10

Great & Little Marsden

Simpson

Sarah

Salterforth

34

Colne

Simpson

Susan

Kelbrook

46

Colne

Simpson

William

Barnoldswick

37

Skipton

 

SCG/10 April 2008  


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peteaharrison
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 12:03
Just a quick note for now....not being familiar with the term Quoin stones I Googled it, and got this : -

Quoin stones
have been used since the Georgian period to compliment brickwork on buildings. These are simply glued into position using PVA adhesive.

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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 13:08
Pete, Quoin Stones are variously described as a keystone or the cornerstones on outside angles of buildings. In larger buildings these are often dressed or faced differently to the rest of the stones used in the build and are usually much larger. If you look at the picture of the side of Craven house you will see the difference between the Quoins and the rest of the masonry used in the building.


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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 18:47
Sorry for the correction Ian but quoins are as you desribed, large stones at the corner of high quality buildings that give a more stable construction and are often left proud of the rest of the masonry as a design feature.  Pete, the Romans used them and they didn't have PVA.....  A keystone is specifically the top wedge shaped stone in the head of a masonry arch which is often made larger and ornamented.  It is the key of the arch, if it is withdrawn the rest of the arch is unstable.


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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 19:24
Interesting, I have always understood the main meaning of quoin stones to be as you have described above. The reference to keystone came from a definition of quoin from an online dictionary which I checked for other meanings of the word. The definition also references its usage in printing to mean a wedge shaped block used to secure type in a chase. Also a wedge used to raise the level of a gun. I think the common denominator here is that it is used for securing two faces together as in the corner of buildings. As with the keystone in the arch, removing the quoins would have a pretty drastic effect on a building.

I have just checked the definition of keystone, main usage as you describe and also cross referenced to Quoin, Coign and Coigne. 


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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 00:50
I've come across quoin used as a wedge for elevating a gun but never seen it used to describe the keystone in an arch.  I should think that's an uncommon usage.  never mind, we all know what we are talking about.


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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 00:55


Here's the building at Butts Mill I was referring to.  Very pronounced corner stones (you've got me worried about quoins now) like the ones on Craven House. 


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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 01:23
Why does that photo of Butts shout "dark satanic mills" at me? As soon as I saw it I had "Jerusalem" in my head. Is one side of the gateway formed from the quoins in the buiding or is it just the angle of the shot?


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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 08:31
Hard to tell and I never saw the original but looks to be built into the corner to me.


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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 21:29
On the subject of the history of Craven House and it's interest to me in terms of family connections, Stanley suggested that  "It would be interesting to see the deeds for the property and get a list of the owners." .... I take it that it would be possible to do that - to look at the deeds? How does one go about arranging to do that?

The Bowker family originated in, and they are listed in the 1901 census living in, Bentham - John Raby Bowker, his wife Elizabeth Ann and their children Maria (14), Anthony (12), Bell (5) and Edna (1). Two other children Mary (16) and Eleanor my grandmother (8) were with their grandparents also in Bentham, and a further child Grace (10) visiting relatives in Derbyshire.

I mention a little family background prior to their move to Barlick, to explain the chronology....Stanley says : - "I have another entry for Mrs Elizabeth Ann Bowker, In the 1902 Barrett directory she is listed as Milliner on Rainhall Road." ... it is unlikely that this is the same lady, as my father was born in Bentham to Eleanor Harrison (nee Bowker) in 1914 - she was married in Bentham and moved to Barlick in late 1915 or early 1916.  Also John Raby Bowker, "my" Elizabeth Ann's husband died in Bentham in 1912. 

In 1921 Bell (Isabel) Bowker married William Simpson the Butcher in Park Road, and in 1924 Grace Bowker married William's brother Alfred Simpson who was a Baker and served on the Barnoldswick UDC and as Chairman of that Council.  Both Grace and Alf Simpson worked as Probation Officers in Barlick.  

(I'm coming back to edit this message for no other reason than to rectify an omission....it is proper and a pleasure for me to acknowledge that Grace Simpson lived for just under 103 years..... born Bentham 1890 - died Royd Nursing Home, Sutton 1993)


Pete

Edited by - peteaharrison on 17/04/2008 01:36:53 AM


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Posted - 12/04/2008 : 06:44
Easiest way would be to call in at the solicitors, excite the interest of one of the partners and get them to let you photograph the deeds.

I have a peripheral interest in Bowkers as my mother died as Mary Bowker after a short lived marriage to a man called Bowker who was jailed shortly after she wed.  She never got divorced and that's why I am a bastard! 


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