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peteaharrison
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Back in 1921 my grandfather Matthew Harrison left Barlick and set off for Australia. I have recently found very brief details from the passenger list of SS Themistocles on which he sailed from London on the 7th December 1921. His address is given as Craven House, Newtown, Barnoldswick. I'm aware that the offices of a firm of solicitors is now accommodated there, but does anyone know for what purpose the building was used in Matthew's time? I had previously associated him with Park Road and Park Avenue. Any information would be very much appreciated.... Pete (formerly of Barlick, now in Yeovil, Somerset)
Edited by - peteaharrison on 08/04/2008 3:29:29 PM
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 15:02
You are a mine of information Stanley
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Stanley
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 16:22
Just an old fart with nothing better to do than trawl directories...... Besides, it's always nice when you learn something. I never saw the evidence of the beer hoist 'til I looked at the building today.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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peteaharrison
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 01:06
Sorry Stanley....you'd already said that the info was from that particular year's Kellys - I misread your comment.
I'm afraid it doesn't help matters that I am unfamiliar with the Newtown area. Stanley mentions King Street and in particular 1a King Street....is this the address of Craven House?
I have a CD of the 1936 Kellys directory for the West Riding of Yorkshire and at that time my great uncle Alfred Simpson (one time chairman of Barlick UDC) is listed as a Baker at 1 King Street. Alf's wife Grace was a daughter of Elizabeth Ann Bowker. Also recorded is a firm of Solicitors, Bracewell and Leaver, Craven ho. It does appear that, in earlier years, a variety of businesses were conducted simultaneously within this building.
Pete
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Stanley
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 08:00
Pete, look at the map. Craven House could be at the end of Rainhall Road, King Street or Newtown as it is right on the junction. As for multiple use, I'd be surprised if there wasn't more than one tenant, it is a big building and the outbuildings are bigger than any of the other houses around. It's on the 1853 map and so was built before then and I would be interested in what it was originally built for. If I was to guess I would say that whoever built it in the first place either wanted an imposing residence on the middle of town or was running an enterprise that needed a stable block and yard. I suspect that the first change of use may have something to do with the period 1860/65; the Cotton Famine, when a lot of well-laid plans went astray. As for Simpson being there as a baker at the same time as the solicitor, no problem as there is plenty of room.
I like flying kites based on the history so here's one for you. The original quoin stones on the building are very bold and rough hewn. They remind me of the ones on the old office block at Butts Mill. One thing I've noted about the Bracewells is that they seemt have minimised architect's costs by using the same design more than once. Walt Fisher once told me that there was a big resemblance between Wellhouse and Victoria at Earby and they used the same architect for Bank House as the Methodist chapel in Wapping. Assume the date of build as being in the 1840s and ask yourself who were the movers and shakers in the town then. Most likely suspect is William Bracewell of Newfield Edge, Billycock himself. One other but not as likely would be Slater at Clough. It would be interesting to see the deeds for the property and get a list of the owners. I think a bit more furtling is indicated.....
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 08:32
Pete, much of this will not be news to you but could be helpful for other Simpson researchers.
SIMPSON INDEX ENTRIES AS OF 10 April 2008 1848. Edmund Simpson noted as elector of Barlick on a roll of 1848. Address given as Lancaster. 1851 census James Simpson, Rock Cottage, 65, limestone quarry man employing 20 men and farming 15 acres. Jane, wife, 58. James, son, 26, limestone quarry worker. Jane, daughter, 24. Catherine, daughter, 23. Thomas, son, 20, tin maker. Chester, son, 14, scholar. 1851 census William Simpson, Hill Top Farm, 36, limestone quarry labourer. Christiana, wife, 36. James, son, 12, apprentice limestone worker. Nancy, daughter, 11. Sarah Jane, daughter, 9. Alice, daughter, 7. William, son, 4. Catherine, daughter, 1 year. 1857 Chester Simpson noted as Farmer in Barlick in a directory but no address given. 1871 census James Simpson, Crook Carr Farm, 46, farmer of 118 acres. 1871 census Joseph Simpson, Cross Keys PH at East Marton, 48, innkeeper and farmer. 1896 Miss Emma Simpson noted as dressmaker, milliner and draper at 23(?) Newtown in Barrett directory of 1896. 1935 Alfred Simpson noted as Council Member 1935-1947. Chairman 1942-43. Was probation officer and died May 15 1956. In Kelly for 1936 is noted as baker at 1 King Street. (Craven House which in 2008 is the offices of Walker Charlesworth and Foster, solicitors, at the head of Newtown) 2004 Dorothy Carthy told me that William Simpson used to have the butcher’s shop on Park Road at the bottom of Beech Street. The previous butcher was Walyer Duxbury. 2005 Death of John Simpson at Bancroft. 21 June 1913-8 October 2005. 1841 CENSUS FOR BARLICK AND EARBY. Simpson | James | 50 | ag lab | Longing | Simpson | Jane? | 45 | | Longing | Simpson | James | 15 | ag lab? | Longing | Simpson | Catherine | 13 | | Longing | Simpson | Thomas? | 11 | | Longing | Simpson | (male) | 9 | | Longing | Simpson | (male) | 5 | | Longing | Simpson | (male) | 2 | | Longing | Simpson? | William? | 25 | ag lab | Longing | Simpson? | Christiana | 25 | | Longing | Simpson? | James | 2 | | Longing | Simpson? | Nancy | 1 | | Longing | 1881 CENSUS FOR BARLICK AND EARBY. Simpson | Abigail | | | | Simpson | Abigail | 49 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing Cottage | Simpson | Ada | 9 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | Alice | 25 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | Alice | 34 | Barnoldswick | Lower Barnsay Cottages | Simpson | Ann | | | | Simpson | Ann | 24 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | Ann | 41 | Admergill | Lower Admergill | Simpson | Ann M. | | | | Simpson | Annie | | | | Simpson | Arthur | 4 | Barnoldswick | Hill St. | Simpson | Christiana | 66 | Barnoldswick | Lower Barnsay Cottages | Simpson | Elizabeth | | | | Simpson | Elizabeth | 67 | Barnoldswick | Village | Simpson | Emily | | | | Simpson | Emma | | | | Simpson | Harriet | 14 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing Cottages | Simpson | Harrison | | | | Simpson | Henrietta | | | | Simpson | Henry | | | | Simpson | Isabella (Bell) | 22 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | James | 17 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | James | 22 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing Cottages | Simpson | James | 56 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | Jane | 56 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | Jane Ann | | | | Simpson | John | | | | Simpson | John | 69 | Barnoldswick | Village | Simpson | Lilian | | | | Simpson | Mary | 24 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing Cottages | Simpson | Mary Jane | | | | Simpson | Micah (Michah) | 13 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing Cottages | Simpson | Nathan | 9 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing Cottages | Simpson | Rhoda | 17 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | Richard | 49 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing Cottages | Simpson | Sarah | 36 | Barnoldswick | Lower Barnsay Cottages | Simpson | Thomas | 13 | Kelbrook | Craven Heifer Inn | Simpson | Walter | | | | Simpson | William | | | | Simpson | William | | | | Simpson | William | | | | CENSUS FOR 1891 9Line up with 1881 for names) 0 | Barnoldswick | Philip St. | 59 | Skipton | Hardcastle's Yard 25 | | | | | | | 46 | Barnoldswick | York St. | 27 | Barnoldswick | Chapel St. | | | | | | | 38 | Barnoldswick | Well House Sq. 8 | 19 | Barnoldswick | Garden St. | | | | | | | 38 | Earby | Wesley Place | | | | 19 | Barnoldswick | Philip St. | 25 | Barnoldswick | Newtown 6 | | | | 6 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing | 9 | Barnoldswick | Well House Sq. 8 | 16 | Barnoldswick | Well House Sq. 8 | 29 | Skipton | Westmoreland St 47 | | | | 32 | Barnoldswick | Chapel St. | | | | | | | 30 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing | 9 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing | | | | 1mo | Barnoldswick | Long Ing | | | | 1 | Barnoldswick | Philip St. | 23 | Barnoldswick | Philip St. | | | | | | | | | | 48 | Barnoldswick | York St. | | | | 11 | Barnoldswick | Well House Sq. 8 | 3 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing | 15 | Barnoldswick | York St. | 32 | Barnoldswick | Long Ing | L&Y strays 1891 census Simpson | A. M. | Barnoldswick | 28 | Rotherham | Simpson | Abigail | Salterforth | 49 | Barnoldswick | Simpson | Arthur | Barnoldswick | 20 | Burnley | Simpson | Catherine | Barnoldswick | 12 | Great & Little Marsden | Simpson | Christiana | Barnoldswick | 17 | Great & Little Marsden | Simpson | Edwin | Barnoldswick | 21 | Blackburn | Simpson | Elizabeth E. | Barnoldswick | 29 | Habergham Eaves | Simpson | Harry | Barnoldswick | 23 | Preston | Simpson | Henry | Barnoldswick | 6 | Rotherham | Simpson | Isabella (Bell) | Bracewell | 22 | Kelbrook | Simpson | James | Barnoldswick | 42 | Great & Little Marsden | Simpson | John | Barnoldswick | 13 | Great & Little Marsden | Simpson | Margaret | Barnoldswick | 38 | Great & Little Marsden | Simpson | Mary | Barnoldswick | 19 | Great & Little Marsden | Simpson | Mary | Earby | 32 | Bradford | Simpson | Mary A. | Barnoldswick | 21 | Preston | Simpson | Sarah | Barnoldswick | 10 | Great & Little Marsden | Simpson | Sarah | Salterforth | 34 | Colne | Simpson | Susan | Kelbrook | 46 | Colne | Simpson | William | Barnoldswick | 37 | Skipton | SCG/10 April 2008
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peteaharrison
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 12:03
Just a quick note for now....not being familiar with the term Quoin stones I Googled it, and got this : -
Quoin stones have been used since the Georgian period to compliment brickwork on buildings. These are simply glued into position using PVA adhesive.
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 13:08
Pete, Quoin Stones are variously described as a keystone or the cornerstones on outside angles of buildings. In larger buildings these are often dressed or faced differently to the rest of the stones used in the build and are usually much larger. If you look at the picture of the side of Craven house you will see the difference between the Quoins and the rest of the masonry used in the building.
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 18:47
Sorry for the correction Ian but quoins are as you desribed, large stones at the corner of high quality buildings that give a more stable construction and are often left proud of the rest of the masonry as a design feature. Pete, the Romans used them and they didn't have PVA..... A keystone is specifically the top wedge shaped stone in the head of a masonry arch which is often made larger and ornamented. It is the key of the arch, if it is withdrawn the rest of the arch is unstable.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 19:24
Interesting, I have always understood the main meaning of quoin stones to be as you have described above. The reference to keystone came from a definition of quoin from an online dictionary which I checked for other meanings of the word. The definition also references its usage in printing to mean a wedge shaped block used to secure type in a chase. Also a wedge used to raise the level of a gun. I think the common denominator here is that it is used for securing two faces together as in the corner of buildings. As with the keystone in the arch, removing the quoins would have a pretty drastic effect on a building.
I have just checked the definition of keystone, main usage as you describe and also cross referenced to Quoin, Coign and Coigne.
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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 00:50
I've come across quoin used as a wedge for elevating a gun but never seen it used to describe the keystone in an arch. I should think that's an uncommon usage. never mind, we all know what we are talking about.
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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 00:55
Here's the building at Butts Mill I was referring to. Very pronounced corner stones (you've got me worried about quoins now) like the ones on Craven House.
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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 01:23
Why does that photo of Butts shout "dark satanic mills" at me? As soon as I saw it I had "Jerusalem" in my head. Is one side of the gateway formed from the quoins in the buiding or is it just the angle of the shot?
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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 08:31
Hard to tell and I never saw the original but looks to be built into the corner to me.
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peteaharrison
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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 21:29
On the subject of the history of Craven House and it's interest to me in terms of family connections, Stanley suggested that "It would be interesting to see the deeds for the property and get a list of the owners." .... I take it that it would be possible to do that - to look at the deeds? How does one go about arranging to do that?
The Bowker family originated in, and they are listed in the 1901 census living in, Bentham - John Raby Bowker, his wife Elizabeth Ann and their children Maria (14), Anthony (12), Bell (5) and Edna (1). Two other children Mary (16) and Eleanor my grandmother (8) were with their grandparents also in Bentham, and a further child Grace (10) visiting relatives in Derbyshire.
I mention a little family background prior to their move to Barlick, to explain the chronology....Stanley says : - "I have another entry for Mrs Elizabeth Ann Bowker, In the 1902 Barrett directory she is listed as Milliner on Rainhall Road." ... it is unlikely that this is the same lady, as my father was born in Bentham to Eleanor Harrison (nee Bowker) in 1914 - she was married in Bentham and moved to Barlick in late 1915 or early 1916. Also John Raby Bowker, "my" Elizabeth Ann's husband died in Bentham in 1912.
In 1921 Bell (Isabel) Bowker married William Simpson the Butcher in Park Road, and in 1924 Grace Bowker married William's brother Alfred Simpson who was a Baker and served on the Barnoldswick UDC and as Chairman of that Council. Both Grace and Alf Simpson worked as Probation Officers in Barlick.
(I'm coming back to edit this message for no other reason than to rectify an omission....it is proper and a pleasure for me to acknowledge that Grace Simpson lived for just under 103 years..... born Bentham 1890 - died Royd Nursing Home, Sutton 1993)
Pete
Edited by - peteaharrison on 17/04/2008 01:36:53 AM
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Stanley
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Posted - 12/04/2008 : 06:44
Easiest way would be to call in at the solicitors, excite the interest of one of the partners and get them to let you photograph the deeds.
I have a peripheral interest in Bowkers as my mother died as Mary Bowker after a short lived marriage to a man called Bowker who was jailed shortly after she wed. She never got divorced and that's why I am a bastard!
Stanley Challenger Graham
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