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Arfur
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Posted -  18/04/2011  :  08:37

What do you know about YOUR family heirlooms?

For a start, do you have any heirlooms? A grandson visited us the other day and we were a bit surprised at what he saw as old family things. For us they were just household objects but to him they seemed to something special - almost as though he felt they were part of his history.

 

It shouldn’t have surprised me as for twenty five years I was involved in selling antiques and collectors items for people. No buying and selling, just selling. I always claim I don’t know a lot about anything but a little bit about an awful lot.

 

The big interest to me was not so much the value but the stories behind the object.  For instance, the fine porcelain clock, looking so out of place in a little terraced house in Nelson; the three first world war medals (Known to medal collectors as Pip, Squeak & Wilfred) lying at the back of a drawer; the dark brown, rather crude earthenware pot at the back of the garage.

 

The clock had perhaps belonged to great aunt Esme who, as a twelve year old, had gone into service as a maid with Lord Alpus. When the eighteen year old Esme Munnicom married the butchers boy, the family rummaged in the attic and gave her an old clock as a wedding present. It was now treasured possession in the Munnicom family.

 

The medals might have been issued to Private Hugh Nevvar, grandfather of Willy Nevvar. 

 

The owner of the earthenware pot had been given it by her great grandfather who had worked on the American Railroads in late 1800s. It had been imported from china and had contained soy sauce for the Chinese men working on the railways.

 

I used to see similar sets of medals. They were engraved with the name, number and regiment of the individual and I have no doubt you could have found more details from official records. The thing you couldn’t find was the personal information about that man, where he lived, what he did for a living, what sort of a man was he. 

 

If the clock goes out of the family or the story gets lost as time goes by the story of Esme will disappear.

 

The lidded pot might be identified by a specialised collector - if he sees it - but most likely it will be chucked out as an ugly old pot.

 

So, take a look round at some of the old family things you take for granted. Sit down and write down what you know about and keep it with the object. Just take care that you don’t embellish the story!

 

Take Esme’s clock for instance. More than once when looking at similar objects I was told a story that might be something like “You see that theer clock? Well, there were only ever three of ‘em made. Queen has one, there’s one in’t Albert and Victoria museum an’ I have t’other!”

 

These were not an attempts to deceive, but embellished family stories. “Old aunt Esme worked in a house where the Queen once visited”; “It were real posh - just like a museum”; “They gave her this very rare and expensive clock when she got married”; “Nobody else (in the family) has a clock like that”. So easy for it to finish up as one of only three !

 


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Stanley
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Posted - 19/04/2011 : 06:38
We all tend to colonise our own space and people often do a double-take when they see all the 'junk' that litters my shelves everything from soft toys, through bars of soap to fine Chinese pocelain and even a lathe in the front room. The point about them is of course that I can tell you a story about all of them, they all have a meaning for me. I like that, I can never understand people who have a clear-out and buy all the latest design icons. Each to his own!


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Arfur
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Posted - 19/04/2011 : 08:14
The comment "You don't own it, you are just the custodian for the next generation" always rings a bell for me. 

That's why a short written story about the things we shall pass on is so valuable for the 'Next lot'.

I love the bit on the Antiques Roadshow where the expert tells the owner their old pot is worth £2,000 and you can see written all over the owner's face "Is that all!?" 


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moh
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Posted - 19/04/2011 : 10:11
My father-in-laws WW1 medals have his name on them, but my dad's WW2 don't. My husband's cousin has the medals given to his uncle who was killed in WW1 but I have the plaque (like a big penny) that was given to families of men who died in that war.

Edited by - moh on 19/04/2011 10:12:30 AM


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Arfur
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Posted - 19/04/2011 : 11:56
Those bronze 'Death plaques' could arrive any time up until the early 20s. Just imagine the shock of all those memories being brought back to the fore when that dropped through the letter box.

 


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panbiker
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Posted - 19/04/2011 : 16:21
Thw Wiki link on "Memorial Plaque" or "Dead Man's Penny" says that they were still being issued up until the 30's. Over 1.3 Million were produced, as Arfur says, it would be quite a shock to get one of these delivered so long after the conflict.


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tripps
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Posted - 19/04/2011 : 16:31
It's gone all spooky again. Just read the above - turned to the TV, and David Dickenson's expert  is looking at three medals and a death plaque!  Fetched £380 atb auction.  Penny mught give a false impression - in fact they are 5"  diameter.


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Sue
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Posted - 19/04/2011 : 23:23
Our heir looms are more of sentimental than financial value, like the Socialist book  written by John Widdup in 1895,, and the chait bought from a local auction in 1900 when a big house closed down in Burnley. Not worth much as my Great Aunt ( daughter of the person who bought it at the auction) didn't like the style and had the scroll top at the back sawn off!

Then there is the teaservice which we believe was given to Bob's great great Grandfather when he retired after about 50 years service as a butler/bailiff for a rich judge in London with country houses spotted around the country. It is a beautiful 12 piece floral set with gold  rims  and edges to the flowers, and apparently not worth much in the present market


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 20/04/2011 : 06:04
One of the things that always strikes me when antiques are being valued is that the price is dictated by fashion. Carice Cliffe seems to send the collecors potty! I wouldn't give them house room. Then you'll see something that obviously has hundreds of hours of skilled work in it whuch is relatively worthless. Bit like the collectors of old toys being influenced so much by the presence and condition of the original box. Could they have lost sight of the object itself?


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Sue
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Posted - 21/04/2011 : 18:18
About 35 years ago Bob sold his collection of dinky toys for about £150. The man only wanted the collection for one London bus, boexed with a certain advert on its side. He said the rest of the collection wasn't worth anything(!!!!!!!)


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Tizer
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Posted - 21/04/2011 : 19:41
Sue, that's the same approach as with dealers for many collectables. A dealer will buy your stamp album but he'll take out the few valuable stamps and give the rest (perhaps 99% of the total) to charity. It's not worth his/her time selling the cheaper stamps. Often the same with postcards.


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catgate
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Posted - 21/04/2011 : 20:14


quote:
Stanley wrote:
..... Carice Cliffe seems to send the collecors potty! .....

Is that a Gerry firm then?


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Tizer
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Posted - 22/04/2011 : 09:34
Be careful it might be the firm run by that tricky chap Gerry Mander.


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