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Callunna
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Posted -  12/07/2011  :  09:11
Tesco are considering opening a store in Barnoldswick.

They claim it will create 175 jobs and keep shoppers in the town, as well as saving local firm L&P Springs.

There are 2 exhibitions taking place this Friday and Saturday for people to gain more information.

Views, anyone? 


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tomket
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Posted - 15/12/2011 : 10:14
From what I can see -

Redmans and Majestic Discounts sell paint brushes, rolloers etc - maybe Shambles as well. Lighting Shop also sells Paint and Wallpaper.


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Posted - 15/12/2011 : 13:53
The paint and wallpaper, in the lighting shop, is more for the specialist, not your "standard" wallpaper.


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tomket
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Posted - 17/12/2011 : 09:46
Has you seen the letter from Pete Gardner in the Barlick paper this week ?

In it he points out the issue of the opening hours of shops in the town. This appears to be a recurring theme particularly regarding Saturday afternoon.

I suggest that if this the main reason why people shop out of town then, if the Tesco oipens, it is going to be damn busy on Sturday afternoon !



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Whyperion
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Posted - 17/12/2011 : 15:14
Or very dead. ) ( I thought everyone went to Barnoldswick Town FC but seeing the turnout numbers there that is not the case either )

In fairness Barnoldswick is not much more different to many other smaller Yorkshire Towns , all shopping done in the morning (must be some throwback to the freshest fish , bread, etc from the market early) , then lunch then presumably some kind of leisure activity or off to the big town for the shopping for a greater variety of choice,

Sign on one shop midweek , back in 15mins ( they were - proprietor had popped over the road to buy pies for childrens evening tea ).


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Stanley
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Posted - 18/12/2011 : 05:11
Shop hours are an interesting subject. Hangover from Sunday Observance still has an effect. Even the pioneer has curtailed opening hours. Half day closing is a remnant of the legislation to protect shop workers from long hours. Monday closing of many fish and chip shops stems from no fish dekiveries by rail from ports on Mondays due to Sunday shiut down of landing ports.

Easy to say they should open longer but is it economically viable? One solution could be the N American custom of late opening one day a week, usually Friday. But how many customers? Barlic Bites opens early.....


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Whyperion
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Posted - 19/12/2011 : 12:42
My local Tesco is now open to buy from 00.01 Monday to 17.00 Sunday.

Funny though customer service closes at 22.00 each day so returns and refunds can only be done during the day ( pain if you work 4 nights a week and call in on the way home at some early hour ).  Also falling over the pallets of cornflakes in the isles as they do the major restocking overnight.

One Stop in Barnoldswick is open late enough to get the essentials otherwise forgotten.  


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tomket
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Posted - 19/12/2011 : 15:14
It is quite interesting about opening hours and I would like to ask those who complain about Saturday afternoon closing and Tuesday/Wednesday half day/full day closing what products they think they will be able to get in a new Tesco supermarket that they cant get somewhere else in Barlick when those shops they criticise are closed.

Get your grievance out in the open and name the products and shops concerned or stop hiding behind this red herring !


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Stanley
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Posted - 20/12/2011 : 04:55
Tomcat, giving members orders and stoking up the temperature by talking about a 'grievance' will not be productive.  This is a discussion, not a protest meeting.


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Big Kev
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Posted - 20/12/2011 : 06:19
I've been to Ilkley and Otley today. Sainsburys and Waitrose in Otley, Co-op, Tesco and Booths in Ilkley. There looked to be a number of independent shops in both town, no sign of any unemployed window cleaners, grafitti artists or boarded up premises that I could see.

A new supermarket could be a welcome kick up the backside to lift some of the apathy that lurks amongst us...


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tomket
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Posted - 20/12/2011 : 10:33
Point taken Stanley, even though you can't get my name right !

However, what I am trying to do is to make people think objectively and not subjectively.

Too many people are generalising on this subject without either understanding or quoting actual examples of what they mean.
For the discussion to be worthwhile I believe people need to be more objective in their views and comments.


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Whyperion
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Posted - 20/12/2011 : 12:12
Kev , I have already mentioned that places like Ilkley and Otley [ You missed out Netto down Pool Road ! ] have a substantial hinterland including visiting consumers from Bradford and Leeds, passing trade (often by the coachload ) and higher resident population than Barnoldswick, they are also both towns that are considerably longer established back into the C18th and earlier and have some space avalible for a small increase in housing and so a growing population.

 

To my knowledge Barnoldswick has never had a national multiple chain, Co-Op  excepted (No Woolworths for example), and as a town centre effectively dates from Edwardian times, is bypassed by just about everything unless you have a need to visit Barnoldswick ( for Work , School, the odd leisure purpose or Relatives live here). The proposed location for the Tesco Store is too far out of the existing town centre to integrate into the town centre and will act to replace some of the town centre [mostly food retailers] shops rather than compliment ( as the Sainsburys in Otley manages to ) and our further fear is that there is insufficient demand in the Barnoldswick area to support the size of the proposed Tesco unit and that it will be economically unviable. Barnoldswick also has limited scope to increase population if current greenbelt planning remains enforced.  


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 20/12/2011 : 12:15
I agree with Kev and if its objective you want how about this for starters. The towns only greengrocers has its saleable goods brought in mostly from Blackburn. Some of the items, and I will use potatoes as an example, are not top quality, the Maris Pipers for instance have a "fishy" smell when cooked, not pleasant! There is a fruit and veg merchant at Trawden run by a Barlick man that has a good reputation and offers good quality goods. Of, you can get Maris potatoes at the Co-op, but they are washed and bagged, not good for making crispy chips. This town had at least six greengrocers, healthy competition, it now has one, no competition. It is safe to assume that a large number of Barlickers do their main shop out of town, as in Colne, Nelson or Skipton, this could be greatly reduced with the addition of a major outlet. "Village mentality" Barlick started out as a Hamlet and rapidly bypassed the Village stage to become a small town, it will never become a Village, it is what it is, and growing steadily, having over half the population doing their shopping elsewhere is counter productive, time consuming and environmentally unfriendly, and for those without personal transport, difficult. A few posts back I mentioned Christmas shopping in relation to what is on offer here in town, try as I might, I could not match my list to what was available here, 45 minutes in Colne on Sunday, job done. I also mentioned decorating materials and again Kev was correct, the materials available in the lighting shop are not everday items, I do know that "Do it Yourself" still requires quality products for it to be a success, the paint brushes available in town are mostly what I class as throwaways, use once and throw. The new Spar has lifted that area and I believe that love it or hate it the intended Tesco site could do the same for what could easily become another ex industrial eyesore.

Edited by - thomo on 20/12/2011 12:19:09 PM


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tomket
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Posted - 20/12/2011 : 17:38
Interesting Tommo that when challenged to be objective about shops that dont open Saturday aftrenoon and/or Tuesday/Wednesday in various guises you choose to discuss a shop that has probably one of the longest opening hours in the Town Centre, opening all day Monday to Saturday @ 9.00am to 5.30pm if not longer !


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 20/12/2011 : 18:48
Strange, but I do not feel challenged. I am talking about the goods available, and not "When". Much of the discussion here has been about losing the towns character, the opening hours have long been a part of this, in short, some things have not changed, but the way the community lives has. Anyone who wants the "local" shops to extend their opening hours will probably have to endure a general price increase. The shops in Barlick fulfill a need, albeit in a reduced capacity. As for the opening hours of the shop in question, remember this, in order to trade and make a living, they who man the shop possibly have no option. And "Thomo" only has one "m", but I forgive you.


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Tardis
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Posted - 21/12/2011 : 10:33
Interesting that someone has finally brought up 'O' Level economic Geography. Agree entirely Whyperion,

Barnoldswick has been in decline for many decades (see Council Evidence), the fact that people choose to shop outside the town does not equate to having a store here to rectify the perceived "loss". Nor does it mean that by denying the store access will the Town Centre recover because by general statement people are shopping outside the town limits.

At the end of the day it is the community that the people of Barlick seem to want. To my mind, it is those people that have the impact upon the Town Centre and not necessarily those who use it regularly.

However, I would challenge anyone to see if they couldn't get everything in their "shopping basket" from the Town centre instead of from a supermarket of their choice. I'd be interested in the comparisons, particularly where travelling time and fuel costs are included (the co-op now offers to deliver your shopping). Plus, I'd want to see the community involvement benefits properly included against the faceless white light of a superstore. In other words, a proper regard to the resources with an appropriate value placed upon them.


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