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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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moh
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6860 Posts
Posted - 02/05/2011 : 12:06
What attracted my attention today is I got an email from a friend in the USA warning of a new virus being sent in emails saying Osama Bin Laden has been hanged, it was apparently found yesterday by McFee and there is no known cure yet.  Open it and your computer will crash.  I know we have spoken before about these emails being  old and keeping re-appearing, but the names of the senders/recipients of this one I got are from all around the world.  The person in the USA is 'in charge' of the worldwide Birtwistle family tree and has sent it to all his contacts so they can avoid losing their family trees.  I have forwarded a copy to Stanley in case he wants to put it on here for all to see.

I believe Bin Laden has been killed by the US forces in Pakistan - we shall have to wait to see if it is true.


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catgate
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Posted - 02/05/2011 : 14:24
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Sunray10
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Posted - 02/05/2011 : 15:01
Moh, it is indeed true.


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 03/05/2011 : 05:48
Moh, no mail received.


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Bradders
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Posted - 03/05/2011 : 19:44


quote:
Bradders wrote:
To  paraphrase Ricky Tomlinson (himself the subject of the Dirty Tricks department , in his day )  " Brave My Arse " !

Watch the video !
The Tomlinson verdict attracted my attention today, and I feel somewhat vidicated . I'll remind regular contributors and readers alike that there were acrimonious exchanges on this very topic during 2010, and today the bully who killed Ian Tomlinson has been identified as such by a coroner's jury , and a verdict of " Unlawful Killing"  was reached.

Despite attempts to portray  Ian Tomlinson  as a threatening drunk ,a suspended pathologist's ramblings and the officer himself lieing through his teeth , the jury has spoken.......

So I say again...." Brave Boys in Blue ......Brave my arse !"  they can be a bunch of thugs.

The woman who gave the Met's statement  was indicating how they (Now) want to distance themselves from the killing  by saying, in effect , that officers were often under great pressure but that they were not above the law........

PC  Simon Harwood and your like , take note !

Edited by - Bradders on 03/05/2011 8:52:42 PM

Edited by - Bradders on 03/05/2011 8:54:04 PM


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belle
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Posted - 03/05/2011 : 21:37
oh dear there may be trouble brewing!


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catgate
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Posted - 03/05/2011 : 23:44


quote:
Bradders wrote:

So I say again...." Brave Boys in Blue ......Brave my arse !"  they can be a bunch of thugs.


Often, when I am channel hopping, in the forlorn hope of finding something worth watching on TV, I come across British police programmes. They consist of live footage of car chases, breaking into drug dealers homes, sorting out drunks on a Friday night in Netherwallop,  or what ever else crops up.

Throughout it all there is a lot of violence by the police. It is quite understandable that they do have to use force sometimes when they are being challenged by criminals, but it is very obvious from the comments and attitudes of many of them that they really enjoy "being forceful". In fact if it were not for the uniform it would sometimes be difficult to differenciate between police and thug. Overweight, skinhead and with attitude. I really think that many of them are there just for the violence. (and some of the men are just the same!!)


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Bradders
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Posted - 04/05/2011 : 00:24
Nice touch Cat.......Just right Maestro !

(it's serious but...........)


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 04/05/2011 : 06:25
At the time when this matter first came up I took the trouble to get the view of a serving officer and published it on the site. The problem is of course that there are bad apples in society in all sorts of places and it is they who get the media attention. Ny own reaction on hearing the news of the inquest jury's verdict was one of relief. It remains to be seen whether anything will come of it, the police, like any other trained body, tend to close ranks. The basic problem is that we have no truly independent authority with the power to investigate and prosecute wrong-doing in any facet of government. It used to be Parliament but they seem to have lost executive power. My mind goes back to an innocent man with nine bullets in his head in a tube train. Far too often we are left with the uncomfortable feeling that justice hasn't been served. It remains to be seen whether this case will be any different.

It might be of interest to go back and look at the evidence of Ernie Roberts in the LTP and other sources on police brutality during the More Looms disputes of 1932 in Barlick and Earby. The level of violence was so bad that BUDC complained to the Home Office about the police but were told that only reasonable force had been used.  This isn't a new problem.

Smoke and mirrors department: Bin Laden; theories and 'facts' are scattered like confetti. I can't see any clear pattern but I've been triggered to think about Bogey Men. I shall be back when I have got my thoughts in some sort of order.


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 04/05/2011 : 10:12
In 1932 police were moved into Barlick and Earby from Liverpool, we had this when I had my pub on Anglesey, Liverpool policemen were bussed in on Fridays to take over policing of the larger towns as the levels of violence could no longer be controlled by local officers. City policemen are not like your village bobby and are better motivated to deal with a situation which however inocent in concept can all to often become violent and out of hand, in  such situations local officers can also easily be targeted for reprisal. I am not condoning what happened to Mr Tomlinson, but You cannot brand the entire police force as thugs, sure there will always be a few who go beyond what is required, but is is clear that not many of you have been faced by an unpredictable mob any member of which can turn in an instant from a rational human being into a complete idiot. When trying to get to "A" from "B" and encountering a situation as Mr Tomlinson did, it is better to go around it, not try and go through it.
 What happened to bin laden does not require meditation, it is done, one down and a lot more to go!!!!



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frankwilk
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Posted - 04/05/2011 : 20:03
What happened to bin laden does not require meditation, it is done, one down and a lot more to go!!!!

Hear hear
What happened was outwith International Law ie the raid on the compound, but the killing was authorised as they thought he was/maybe wearing a suicide vest , and who would call against that !!!
Did the SG of the UN not say the world was a better place without  Bin Laden ??



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frankwilk
Senior Member


3975 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2011 : 20:20
If the Police don't use Violence to protect us the Citizens when it is required what would happen. The Mob would Rule ???  difficult call that one. Violence can only be confronted with Violence ever tried talking a Mob, who are throwing rocks at you out of it ??
No doubt Thomo and Doc remember Riot Control as taught by the RN, unfurl the Banner telling them to go Home and if they don't, then Shoot the Ring Leader !!!

Norman Tebit who has been caused a lot of grief by terrorists asked the question in a round about way. Is Bin Laden Death a game changer ?? should we have assasinated the Leaders of the IRA who caused mayhem, and would it have been justified ??



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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


2021 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2011 : 20:55
Yes Frank I do remember, its called "Aid to civil power" Parade boots, white gaiters, white belt, steel helmet and a "Night stick" if it was more serious, then it was five of you each with a rifle, only one with live rounds, and not knowing which. The order would have been, "One round only at the man in the red shirt" the magazines being immediately replaced by only live ones.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 04/05/2011 : 21:20
See Alzheimers hasn't set in for either of us lolol



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panbiker
Senior Member


2300 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2011 : 23:29


quote:
thomo wrote:
When trying to get to "A" from "B" and encountering a situation as Mr Tomlinson did, it is better to go around it, not try and go through it.


Just an observation on what I have heard on the media regarding this incident. I belive that Mr Tomlinson had tried various other routes  trying to get home. The police were using kettling techniques which effectively closed off all routes in the area. Therefore he had no option other than to "go through". He was not part of the demonstration by all accounts and so should have had nothing to fear in requesting passage through the cordon. Sadly this approach did not work in his favour and we already know the unfortunate outcome.

The court has now ruled on this incident and found fault with the officer in question, there still seems to be two different versions of the cause of death. Cardiac arrest or internal bleeding, either way the guy is dead and cannot speak for himself, we can only go on the video evidence of the events and that of witnesses in the area at that particular time which is the information that the court had to reach It's ruling.

 


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