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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
NEW VERSION TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MEMBERS WITH SLOW CONNECTIONS TO CONNECT.

Follw this LINK for last version.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 07:50
I can't get up tight about Football any more. The game is run by idiots and the "fans" who pay 100s of pounds to watch the games are well I will leave that to everyones imagination !!!!

Looks like Poverty can't be defined, isn't it good when politicos use a word without clear definition.



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frankwilk
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3975 Posts
Posted - 30/11/2010 : 08:28
Bradders wrote
my  new G.P. asked me if I smoked.....

 I said  "Nothing legal".......she laughed .!

Now I understand how your post's are so dis Jointed



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panbiker
Senior Member


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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 09:51
My boiler not working this morning but I know what the problem is. It's a condensing boiler and the runoff pipe in the backyard will be frozen. I have a note on my fridge that say's "lag boiler pipe", I wrote it about a fortnight ago but did not get round to doing it, I'm paying for it now with the early cold spell. I'll have to get togged up and make a trip to Briggs and Duxbury's for some lagging of the right diameter, the pipe runs along the front of my kitchen into the drain and currently has a collection of plantpots and backyard garden stuff in front of it. Never mind, it will keep me warm shifting the snow and moving it all.


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Tizer
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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 11:44
Ian, I read in a book recently that condensing boilers are inefficient when not set properly and that most people in the UK are not getting the expected efficiency, they might as well have an old boiler. I'm not suggesting yours is wrong but have you heard that too?

I wonder if there will be more burst water pipes now that lofts are more heavily lagged? In older houses the pipes sometimes have to go through the lofts and the plumbers attach them to the side wall if there is one. The pipes are above the main lagging and lose their heat to the cold, solid outside wall even though they have a covering of foam pipe lagging.


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panbiker
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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 13:27
Tiz, It's done alright for us since we had it installed and it is much more economical than the conventional we had before it. It's the position of the boiler (under the stairs) and the layout of my kitchen that dictates where the pipes have to run. No alternative to where it is. I never gave a thought to the potential problem when we had the boiler installed, it was only earlier this year when the problem first manifested itself when it was bitter cold at the start of the year. Problem forgotten over the summer and as I said, note on fridege to lag. Just got caught by the early onsett of bad weather. Thought I still had a bit of time to sort it. Well, you know what thought did!

Ultimate solution is to wrap it with an electrical heating wire and plug it in over winter. My daughters partner is an electrician so I will get him to sort it when he has time. Pipe is now lagged with double layer of styrene lagging, boiler condensation output is running, unfortunately this now means that I will have to get on with the washing up. Do one job, get another!, Kept me nice and warm this morning though!


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Tizer
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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 16:47
I've furtled, as SCG would say, and found comments about needing `weather compensation' on condensing boilers to get the best out of them - that must be what I'd read about. A forum post said: "By using such a control system, the water returning to the boiler will more often be in the range needed for it to condense - around the mid 50s degrees centigrade (just below the 'dew point' of the flue - 58 degrees). The boiler will then be in condensing mode for most of the time it is operating, so will run at it's maximum efficiency almost all the time."

I think it was this business about the dew point that I remembered and it's supposed to be lack of attention to this which means many people get lower than possible efficiency. Nothing to do with your problem but I just wondered if you were aware of it.


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panbiker
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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 17:53
Thanks for the explanation Tizer, I was not aware of it. I just know that mine does the job fine when it is working and is a lot cheaper to run than it's predecessor. Of course that does not mean that it is running at peak efficiency. As a layman I have to trust in my BG boiler engineer that comes to fix when required and service when due. There is one thing I would change with the system if I could and that is the control mechanism. The one supplied is a remote battery powered radio controlled timer which is not the most logical of devices to program. The boiler can be fitted with an integral digital timer but as a retro fit it would cost us the best part of £300 so we put up with the remote one, it works OK as long as the batteries are in good condition, when they fail or are running down the boiler becomes erratic as it relies on the pulsed signal from the remote unit. Next one we get will have an integral timer.


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 02:11
Ian, I have a hard wired timer but never use it, I have it set to 18C and on permanent all through the year. Totally reliable. BG fitted this boiler and the condensate pipe is about a foot long, lagged and goes straight into the waste stack, never any problem with icing-up. Tiz, boilers are designed for one ideal set of parameters and will vay in efficiency as the parameters vary. The efficiency figure the makers quote is the maximum obtainable. I just look at house temperature and gas bill. Oct 2009 to Oct 2010 was £412, not bad for a warm house. In terms of quantity, that's 11,400Kw/hrs, I noted frozen condensate pipes on a new flat conversion yesterday as I walked past. About twelve feet of uninsulated light plastic pipe. Expert gas-fitter?


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Tizer
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 12:08
The weather compensation systems are obligatory on condensing boilers in some European countries but manufacturers have been removing them from boilers sold in the UK because plumbers don't understand them and customers can't get used to having radiators that are constantly warm rather than very hot then very cold. Honeywell introduced a condensing boiler with weather compensation in the UK then removed it from sale for the same reasons. The weather compensation monitors indoor and outdoor temperatures and flow temperatures and `learns' from the data then uses it to control the boiler more efficiently by predicting the need for hot water, which is why the radiators stay only warm. It's supposed to give a more even room temperature as well as save fuel and money. All this is from reading forums - I'm no expert!


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frankwilk
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 19:45
Wikileaks caught my attention today. Some Americans are calling for the Death Penalty for the whistle blower, under Treason Legislation. Bet Bradley ?? never considered that when he was passing on Secrets!!!
Albeit mostly embarrassing Tittle Tattle the Korean dialogue is really quite serious, and could cause World War 3



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Bradders
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 23:34
Frank ...Could you put links on here relating to those last two comments  please... Wikileaks is huge ..

 


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HerbSG
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 06:47
Frank I tend to agree with you (maybe the only one on here) that this kind of nonsense should be stopped.  Every Government member sends out emails etc, some of the comments are not "nice", some of the content is deliberately misleading, and bits out of context (even if it is a complete letter) are not meant for general consumption.  A great example of this that only came to light a couple of years ago is that the US House or Senate passed a motion giving them permission to invade Canada if the UK fell to Hitler (they were not at that early stage prepared to invade the nazi tiger).  This was to take the east coast ports of Canada out of the reach of the nazis.  This was only repealed in the last couple of years.....this may have been misunderstood by Canadians....if they had known about it.....many of whom think that the US would still like to invade to get the commodities that they need.


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 07:02
Anyone who is surprised to find that the US has always had secret, selfish options on the table hasn't read their history. Before the end of WW1 the US had contingency plans in place (Roosevelt and I think Stimson decision) to ensure that Britain came out of the war economically crippled. The original intention was to move in on attractive parts of the old Empire. All this changed after the war when it was realised how much unrest there was in the empire and that moving in was more trouble than it was worth. Think India and Malaysia. Wiser councils prevailed and we got the Marsall Plan but it was noticeable that Britain didn't do as well out of that as Germany. Complicated stuff, my point being that all governments look at these sorts of strategies and personally I'm quite content for it to be 50 years before the files are released. (Some of them are so controversial that they remain closed for far longer)

 Have a look at this LINK for pic of the burst turbine disc on the A380.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 07:56
Bradders

Read this newspaper for all the information that you need on the leaks and on Korea
ps remember it is only the media and they exsist to make Profit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/



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Tizer
VIP Member


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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 10:39
Herb, there are more than two of you, I too believe that more care should be taken to prevent unauthorised dissemination of confidential information. There is now an attitude that's it's OK to pass on such information as if no harm will ensue - a `victimless crime'. All organisations, whether governments, companies, councils or whatever need to be able to discuss matters in confidentiality. When you brainstorm for new ideas you have to consider the impossible, the undesirable, the `unacceptable' - that's the whole point of creative brainstorming sessions. It doesn't mean you really want to e.g. shoot everyone over 65 but raising it might allow you to find different routes to an acceptable solution to a problem. But now it's becoming impossible to carry out this form of creative discussion because it might get passed to the news media and then taken out of context.

I read about a recent survey which claimed to show that over 50% of people say that if they left their employer they would take some of the employer's data with them. Around 25% said they would take customers' personal data. (I suspect this is 25% of the 50% but it's still a very significant proportion when you consider the implications.)

Edited by - Tizer on 02/12/2010 10:40:36


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