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thomo
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Posted -  11/10/2011  :  15:24
Khaki in colour and sombre in content. "Cravens Part in the Great War", there will not have been many households in Barlick and what was then a much larger Craven Area, that did not have at least one copy of this book. In my immediate Family there would have been at least four and I still have two of them, albeit that one is with my son on Anglesey. Over the years I have seen them at jumble sales, in second hand shops and in piles of rubbish for disposal, even left behind when a house has been vacated. They will have turned up all over the place, I have come across them in Wales, the Isle of Wight and Hampshire, the two that I have belonged to my Father and Maternal Grandfather.
Many years ago I went through one of them from cover to cover noting those from Barlick who had given their lives in the service of King and Country, my notes are long gone so I am going to do it again, a few pages at a time, but this time I will include other local places within an approximate seven mile radius, Gisburn, Foulridge, Earby and so on. I will post my findings on here with the name, address and a precis of other details, as some are quite extensive, each name is to have the page number for my reference so that if anyone wants further information, I can soon find it. In a good number of cases there is a photograph, these I will copy and post in groups of ten at suitable intervals. In the book there are 391 pages so I will use a few abreviations hopefully all self explanatory, ie, KIA:- Killed in Action. MPD:- Missing presumed Dead. DOW:- Died as a result of Wounds, and one that is all too frequent, DFD:- Died from Disease or Illness.
One Man was responsible for the existance of these books and that was Mr, Walter Morrison Esq, JP of Malham Tarn who put forward the idea of the book and defrayed the entire cost.
There is quite a bit about the war itself up to page 50, including the Rohilla Tradgedy, then comes the dreadful list of those who did not come home, and so it is that on page 57 we find the first of Barlicks Sons, and is as follows:-

2nd Lieut Harry Thornton Pickles, 3rd Bn Duke of Wellington's (West Riding) Regiment (SR) second son of Mr Stephen Pickles JP, CC, Of Raysgill Barnoldswick KIA 26th April 1916 aged 26. P57.

In these first ten pages the extent of family loss is made very clear for it was in the Village of Carleton nr Skipton that this comes up:-

P53,  Lieut. Anthony E.K. Slingsby, 1/6th Duke of Wellington's (WR) Regiment, Son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby Carla Beck Carleton. KIA France 14th July 1915. Aged 26.
P57,  Captain Arthur Morris Slingsby, MC 56th Punjabi Rifles,  2nd son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby KIA 8th March 1916 in Mesopotamia. Aged 30.
P58.  Lieut. Stephen Slingsby of HMS Defence, 4th son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby. KIA in North Sea June 1916. Aged 24.
This out of a total of five sons all serving.
 
Lothersdale is the next local Village with on P62.  Lieut Alec Wilson, 1st Herefordshire Regiment, Son of Mr and Mrs F J Wilson JP of Lothersdale. KIA 26th March 1917 in Egypt.
P54, Lieut. The Hon, C. A. Lister Royal Marines, Hood Battalion, Only surviving son and heir of Lord Ribblesdale of Gisburne Park DOW 28th August 1915. Elder Brother killed in 1904 in Somaliland.
Greystones, Gisburn.  Lieut. George Proctor, Lancs Fusiliers, only son of Mr and Mrs Thomas Proctor. KIA 7th April 1918 aged 24. P70.
Marton is on P73, Which Marton is not clear,  2nd Lieut, Joseph Bryan Bushby South Staffs Regiment, son of Mr and Mrs Joseph Bushby, Schoolhouse Farm Marton, DOW, 4th October 1918 aged 26.



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Edited by - thomo on 11/10/2011 4:05:43 PM


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panbiker
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Posted - 26/10/2011 : 21:38
So the records are correct and Wilfred is down at Ghyll. I thought it would have been a bit strange if he had been buried at Keighley with his parents settled in Barlick. An increase in vigilance when I am down there will surely bring results now that we definitely have him in the undenominational. Most of the First War casualties are towards the bottom of the plot. I think I may have a look on the 1940 aerial photos to see how much of the plot was filled by then. This could narrow it down a bit further. Most of the Second World War casualties are in the "new" part above the lower car park.

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Just been on Mario Maps and looked at the 1940 and 1960 aerials. It is as I thought, the section immediately above the small car park was not populated in 1940 but by 1960 it was. So it looks like pre 1940 burials would all be at the left hand side of the plot running from the lower end adjacent to the churchyard and running up as far as Ghyll Lane with the current new car park on the left. But not the section to the right, above the  small car park by the coach house.

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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 26/10/2011 : 23:47
Seek an ye shall find!, good luck Ian, and I agree about the possibilities.


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Posted - 27/10/2011 : 13:10
Thats the first scan of the database entries completed. In the book there were 225 entries un Barlick, in the database there are 310 So what qualifies inclusion on a local War Memorial, I see two posibilities, A, Born in Barlick and resident in Barlick.  B, Born elsewhere then resident in Barlick. There is one name on the memorial who at no time fitted either, but there is a cruel twist to this. The young lad used a false address to gain entry into the Army,  in the 1901 census he was elsewhere and he was also only ten months old, brave but fateful. Just checked and there are 287 names on the memorial for WW1.


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panbiker
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Posted - 27/10/2011 : 14:28
Good question Peter, I was also wondering what the criteria was for inclusion on any particular memorial. I found the answer on here:

United Kingdom Inventory of War Memorials

The page I have tagged has the information I was looking for. A very useful site for anyone researching a particular area. The site lists all memorials including parks, plaques and rolls of honor as well as the main town memorials.

The site lists 288 names on the Barnoldswick obelisk for the First World War but it is recorded as an estimate and not an actual count.

Edited by - panbiker on 27/10/2011 14:33:40


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Callunna
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Posted - 27/10/2011 : 16:56
Weather and time permitting, I could help out for a couple of hours doing a search down at Gill.

I enjoy wandering around headstones. I know that makes me sound kind of weird but there you go. It's just that I find the names fascinating and if I can help out with research at the same time then all the better.

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thomo
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Posted - 27/10/2011 : 17:15
Ian, I had put the wrong number of WW1 names above, there are 7 columns of 36 and one column of 35. total 287 when I have pruned the database entries we may be somewhere near that figure. Heather, I have some more info about your great uncle just as I have for many more of the memorial entries. What I intend to do when I have finished gathering whatever I can find, is to commit it to disc, anyone wanting a copy will be welcome.


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panbiker
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Posted - 27/10/2011 : 19:19
That's a good offer Heather, thank you, I will let you know. I normally re-orientate myself with the locations where I distribute the crosses a few days before I actually do the job.

I currently distribute 34 remembrance crosses down at Ghyll  to casualties from both World Wars. This includes those interred in both the cemetery and churchyard and also includes 3 veterans that I have been asked to mark. There may well be more that I do not know about yet. There was no written list in existence when I took over doing this each year. The previous distributor was a friend of mine and he carried all the information in his head. I took over when he became a little less nimble at getting around. My tally is a result of my own survey of the site and has increased on occasion as I find others. Wilfred would be another addition and now we are certain of his general location I would like to commemorate him along with the others. I will do a specific search for his location and may as well combine this with my annual re-orientation in the not too distant future.

OK on the numbers Peter. The Inventory site I posted above shows that everything is not always as is cast in stone. Many different reasons for ommissions and incorrect inclusions. Not surprising that genuine mistakes were made as well when you consider the sheer size of the project in the years after the end of hostilties.

 


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Travis
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Posted - 27/10/2011 : 21:19
I'm up for another go at finding Wilf....Anyone free a week on Sunday?   Shall I bring a flask and butties?


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 27/10/2011 : 23:08
What time Travis? Ian as you suggest, it is never going to be fully laid to rest, just today I have come across another site that lists all of the names from Barlick on a roll of honour, non alphabetical! it is difficult to read as the quality is poor and does not lead to magnification or any other tweaks that I have available, but there are several names that do not feature in any other lists that I have seen. I have built a new base for cross referencing and tomorrow I will go through the CPGW database for the second time pulling out the remaining info, this will take some time as I will be including the surrounding areas. There is much interesting stuff on the fringes as well, letters from other servicemen to the affected families, poetic tributes from loved ones and friends, even a court case where a Widow sued someone who owed her late husband for work carried out before the war, and all in and about Barlick, there is a poem called "Barlick Terriers" that appeared in a newspaper, a few better quality pictures including some of the monuments to the fallen from Barlick. I have always been blessed with a great deal of patience, which is just as well as this has to be done right.


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rosilee
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Posted - 28/10/2011 : 00:12
Thomo, with your link to memorials I found the name of my uncle John James Tweedale on the Skipton memorial.He was stoker 1st class on the HMS Hogue I think it was, which was torpedoed by a German submarine  on the 22 Sept 1914 along with 2 other ships the Cressy and the Aboukir,just off the Dutch coast .Is there a picture of him in the Cravens part in the Great War book  and if so could you copy it and send it for me please ,       thank you    Rosie


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Posted - 28/10/2011 : 03:21
Andy/Peter/Ian: yes - I'm up for it. How about early Sunday afternoon? Or midday even? (6 November) I'll bring my own veggie bacon butties...

Peter - have you a copy of the Barlick Terriers poem? I'll swap it for the "From the Trenches" poem  found as a clipping from the Craven Herald, if you haven't already got it. 

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Posted - 28/10/2011 : 05:40
Thomo, I echo what Heather says about the valuable work that you are doing on this important history to Barlick and its families. Thank you. Nolic


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Travis
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Posted - 28/10/2011 : 08:34
A week on Sunday sounds good, I'm up for it.   


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Travis
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Posted - 28/10/2011 : 08:45
I forgot to mention, I have a database of my own for the Barnoldswick fallen. There's over 290 names on it.  If anyone wants a copy just ask.


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panbiker
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Posted - 28/10/2011 : 09:26
Sounds good to me, although if we are going to do this on Sunday 6th it may be better to leave it until about 1.00pm - 1.30pm. There is a service of Holy Communion down at Ghyll which starts at 11.30am and it will be rather busy I suspect. Post on here if this time is OK for everyone. 

Glad you found the memorial link useful Rosie. The online version of CPGW has this entry for John James Tweedale

You can save the image by right clicking on it and selecting the option. I hope this helps.

 

 


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