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Callunna
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Posted -  12/07/2011  :  09:11
Tesco are considering opening a store in Barnoldswick.

They claim it will create 175 jobs and keep shoppers in the town, as well as saving local firm L&P Springs.

There are 2 exhibitions taking place this Friday and Saturday for people to gain more information.

Views, anyone? 


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tomket
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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 09:34

Thanks Thomo - In one post you say 'nothing has changed and in this one you say 'If I as a Barlicker can live with this change'
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When I was younger, the one stop site was a Church, what has happened in Barlick is an evolutionary process that will have been repeated just about everywhere. If I as a Barlicker can live with this change, and appreciate that whilst some things have improved and others have declined, giving me an history lesson is of small value.




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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 09:50
When I say nothing has changed it is in respect of numbers present in the town centre, that is people, human beings, doing what human beings do in a town centre, their surroundings have changed, their way of life has changed, but they are still there, please enjoy your vinegar and burnt toast and have a nice day!


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tomket
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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 10:13
Apparently 80% of the grocery shopping is now done out of town. That would not have been the case 40 years ago and therefore things have changed.

I will enjoy my vinegar and burnt toast before I ride my broomstick round the Town Square casting spells on all the early closing shopkeepers !

Have a great Xmas and no hard feelings.

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thomo wrote:
When I say nothing has changed it is in respect of numbers present in the town centre, that is people, human beings, doing what human beings do in a town centre, their surroundings have changed, their way of life has changed, but they are still there, please enjoy your vinegar and burnt toast and have a nice day!




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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 10:59
There you go then, if the number of people shopping out of town could be reduced, it would surely be beneficial. I hold no hard feelings to you or anyone else, its non productive. Time now to produce my celebrated individual steak pies for tonights dinner and plan the kitchen routine for tomorrow. Enjoy your Christmas one and all. Over and out.
Thomo.



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tomket
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37 Posts
Posted - 24/12/2011 : 12:59
It is nice to see that age has it's priveleges - illogical though they may be !


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moh
Silver Surfer


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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 13:52
This thread has gone out of control with ill feeling - let's get back to normal, or it will be another one no one reads.


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 14:14
I agree Moh, that last post was patronising and uncalled for, at least my profile tells who and what I am.


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Jax
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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 18:46
Tomket makes a good point for a Tesco in town, if the number of people shopping out of town has increased in the past 40 years then Tesco will surely change that by bringing some of them back.  If Tesco are in the town centre or on the edge of town does it really matter, parking will be easier than at the coop.  People get around easier these days and my guess is that once they get into a car to go to the shop, they go to the place that they can park quickly and easier.  The town centre can be a place for specialty shops and open when they want to, they will learn to carry items that the shopping public want..if they want to survive!  I am sure Tomket's comment about age will be forgotten quickly at this time of GOODWILL TO ALL, and we all do get old, some of us get wiser too.


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Whyperion
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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 19:11
If I attempt to think back 40 years , I would guess that 80% by value of my families grocery expenditure was out of the area where I lived , I would guess that even in 1970 cars and the regular bus services to Skipton and Colne areas would have meant a substantial amount of shop outside of Barnoldswick.

Tesco's claim is actually  At present 80% of residents travel out of town to do their main food shopping.  Which is not the same as 80% of expenditure on grocery ( it may be more , if those residents spend siginificantly  more out of town than the amount they spend it town , plus the amount that the 20% of  those whom dont travel out of town for their main food shopping).


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Jax
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Posted - 24/12/2011 : 20:58
40's and 50's were probably the busiest years for shops in town, rations and no cars made shopping in town the norm.  Market day/s at the majestic offered many choices.  Since then the car has changed shopping habits as much as the effect of superstores, and we are not going to give up cars.


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 25/12/2011 : 05:53
Moh is quite right and she is not alone, I have received PMs about the tenor of this thread from long-standing members who were affected by a bout of intemperance and bad manners earlier this year which was eventually cured by draconian action. This is the last thing the admin wants to do but I have to say that reading this thread on Christmas mornings brings back unhappy memories of how such behaviour can infect the site.

Tomket (or Denise) you have come onto the site as a one shot wonder, not contributed to any other threads and not posted any personal details. I am now convinced that you are part of the ant-Tesco campaign and that your only motive for posting is to stir up controversy and bad-feeling. This is foreign to the site and we will not allow it.

You have a clear choice, calm down and behave yourself or you will be denied access. This is the clear message the admin is getting from long-established members.  Over to you.


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Whyperion
Regular Member


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Posted - 25/12/2011 : 17:56
I dont read many of the posts on here as being outright intemperant , but maybe I dont read the words in the same way in which others do , or in the way they were written , some use words I dont understand anyway.

Some of the problem in respect of the particular thread is that there is a difference to the proposal of the Tesco store , size , location , ownership and selling and buying policies on its benefits ( or otherwise ) to the town, which may require some kind of judgement of Solomon in ways that are not clearly written in any govt planning guidance or law, and the benefits ( or otherwise ) to resident citizens in the short term  of the town.

The two ( the town , and the consumer residents of the town ) , could have differing rational ( and irrational ) responses to as what is best for them, I think this is leading us up a discussion , which is interesting , but wont have any clear conclusion.

No one can point to a clear , demonstratable statement of Tesco will be a good thing for Barnoldswick ( though many might hold such an opinion ) , nor , maybe unfortunately , can it be said , that Tesco will definately be the worse thing in the long term for the residents of Barnoldswick. 

If Tesco's plans are approved and completed then clearly Barnoldswick will need to change in some way , including tough trading for some of the current retail outlets. An amount of protection to predatory pricing to smaller traders is there is a pricing agreement between Major UK multiple retailers and government that no one store shall charge less than any other store in that ownership , this is allowed to be split by size of store so  in Tesco's I understand is the 'Metro' 'Express' and Superstore varieties. Unfortunately this is difficult to police ( a small trader has to be in two places at the same time to ensure that national prices are noted ), obscure to report ( to OFT I presume , and I am not certain what the remedy to any aggrieved party is ,

 A personal view ( I cannot remember If I said this already ) , is a preference for the site to remain in an industrial / manufacturing use, and I am not over fond of Tesco as a retailer but remain impressed by their ways of maximising sales and profits, and for all the independent town retailers to continue to offer a good standard of service and affordable prices.  


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 27/12/2011 : 05:30
Sensible post Whippy. In the end the survival or otherwise of the local shops depends on whether we use them, whether Tesco comes or not. As I said before, if the same effort was put into this as is going into anti-Tesco activity the local shops would be best protected.

I can't help equating this with ant-windfarm protests. There is nothing more passionate than a good wind protest and then they all go home and switch the power on.


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Tardis
Regular Member


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Posted - 28/12/2011 : 10:40
I do not see any ill temperance in the postings, maybe those folk are reading too much into t'internet speak when they remember the humble "letter"

The subject is highly likely to cause division, and like Whyperion I can see no actual benefit to the town of having the Superstore here. None of the arguements on here have even addressed that point, the only real incentive seems to be that folk will shop here instead of elsewhere, but somehow I don't think patterns of behaviour will change so radically. If the only reason for having a Tesco is because they are too lazy to go elsewhere, then I do wonder at the community value.

Whether a store arrives or not, the town square will have to do something because there are no gains made through standing still


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tomket
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37 Posts
Posted - 28/12/2011 : 10:43
I think Whyperion's latest post is extremely pertinent.

I just hope all those expressing views, whether for or against, have considered both sides of the discussion.
 
Judging from Pendle Planning website - where you can view the documents relating to the planning application - some of the letters from respondents ' Butt out I want a Tesco' are conceived of self satisfaction and not a balanced view on the overall situation.


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