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thomo
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Posted -  09/01/2008  :  12:36
This now supercedes the earlier topic and is specifically aimed at all who are involved, Plus I do not like making spelling mistakes. First of all the current weather forcast for Skipton is: Saturday; showers, high 5, low 2. Sunday; showers, high 7, low 3. Not brilliant, but not like last night when for the first time ever I saw snow being driven horizontaly and illuminated by violent lighting!. With the lack of traffic on the cut at this time we may not have to empty locks before entering. A few tech, bits next. Summit - the highest section of a canal, ours is the highest of all twixt Greenberfield and Barrowford. Top of flight, section above flight, bottom of flight, that section below. This of course becomes in turn the top if you are going down. The section between locks in a flight are called pounds.. Locks have a head; top, and a tail; bottom. Each lock has six "paddles" two of these are ground paddles and are situated at either side in the canal banking above the head gates. These allow water into the lock at low level and are always opened first, some are opened with a lever and the rest with a rack and pinion, operated with a windlass NOT TO BE DROPPED INTO THE CUT, Two more paddles are one in each of the head gates and should not be opened until the water has risen above them, windlass operated, the remaing two are in each of the tail gates. These two need not concern us on this trip When using a windlass, after raising the paddle, engage the "Pawl" on the gear before doing anything else. Never let the weight of the paddle take charge. Safety is paramount, know what you are doing first. Sadly a dropped windless was the cause of multiple deaths at Gargrave a few years ago. Swing bridges, there are quite few between Silsden and Gargrave, some are often open. To open these, first cross the bridge and using a "necklace key" remove the chain device which secures the bridge beam. push the beam to bring the bridge parallel to the cut reducing the effort before helps to prevent the bridge from bouncing back into the path  of the oncoming boat, hold the beam until the boat is clear, this caution also aplies to lock gate beams. Returning the bridge is the reversal of this operation. Someone on a bike can be very useful when attempting a "fast passage" but if there are other people about, take your bike over the bridge with you, its not funny when your iron is off down the towpath in the hands of a stranger. Someone on a bike can go ahead and ready the bridge or lock two is even better. I hope that this is of some help to whoever comes along and is unsure of events. But to all who come, Welcome and thank you. Keep safe and as warm and dry as is possible.


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Travis
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 17:52
 I can see where we are coming from with worries about stainless steel screws but we have used them on our boats for over twenty years. You need to remember that you may need to remove them sometimes, steel ones rust and can be a beggar to unscrew. 

  As for Cally's windows I think the problem is with the method of fitting rather than the quality of the windows. Our are fitted with a bitumen tape between the frame and cabin sides, screwed to with stainless screws and have not leaked a drop in four years. I am not a fan of the pop-rivet idea.

 One of our roof vents leaked a little before Christmas and I found they had been fitted using sealant. I fixed the dodgy one and will re-sealing the others when the weather gets warmer. Not a dificult job, the screws released easily. 

Andy


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


2021 Posts
Posted - 17/01/2008 : 18:00
Exactly!!!


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Travis
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91 Posts
Posted - 18/01/2008 : 20:21
  A footnote on last weekends epic journey.

 Last Sunday morning saw me despondent thinking I'd seen the last of my  Fab old Landcruiser. It didn't detract me from having another enjoyable day 'ont FD of course, but it sank in later that evening. Was this really the end?  I've owned it for a few years and even though it really isn't PC (at least this years trend says it isn't) to own one, I'd grown to love it. Reliable starter, comfy, smooth and (if you live on a boat) spare storage space. I started to look round for a replacement...Fiesta, no; Kangoo van, no;Ford pickup, no, no,NO!.

 So...rang the garage today, they only had chance to look at the car today, it's ready to pick up when I'm ready...What??  Surely it cant be fixed already?? 

Imagine, after 30 years in haulage, lorry driver, millions of miles driven all over the world, what had I done?  FUELLED UP A DIESEL CAR WITH BALLY PETROL!!   

It's all over work already, I'll live it down........

The up-side is this, if the garage had taken the cylinder head off for a look as I told 'em we were looking at £500 plus for skimming/gaskets/fitting alone. The final bill was a quarter of this, there is a God.

It's 8 15 and I'm pouring my next Grants' and Canada, Goodnight.

Andy.







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Callunna
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Posted - 18/01/2008 : 20:25
As we paid a decent amount of money for FD I thought I'd contact Silsden Boats and tell them about the problem. They readily agreed to come out and look at/sort out the problem as soon as the weather has improved (like 2011, mebbe?)

However, I would like to be able to discuss it from a knowledgeable viewpoint and the input of you guys is invaluable in this respect.

I suspect they'll simply slap a bit of sealant on the windows and roof vents. Would this be sufficient in the short term? Or should I press for something more permanent, I wonder.

Thomo and Travis been wonderfully supportive but there's only so much we can expect from them - they do have their own lives to get on with! So if SB can come up with a satisfactory solution then obviously it would be better from a financial point of view, not to mention freeing up Thomo's skills for the other jobs we'd like him to undertake.

EDITED: Ha! Travis must have nipped in there while I was writing the above! So glad your car got sorted. I hereby faithfully promise not to laugh, giggle, snicker or  smirk - just comforting to know other folk do gormless things as well as me! ya-hoo

Sorry - gotta go - Vee's just shuffled off this mortal coil in The Street... 

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panbiker
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Posted - 18/01/2008 : 21:06
A good result Andy. As Cally says anyone can make a mistake. Good thing you can see the funny side of it. Bet you don't do it again!


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 19/01/2008 : 07:00
Andy, anyone can make a mistake.....  In the bad old days 50 years ago when diesel was full of wax and water, I used to put one gallon of petrol to every ten of diesel in the tank to stop the wax separating out.  Suspect you had a higher % than that.....  Glad it survived.


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Stanley
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Posted - 19/01/2008 : 07:14
By the way, stainless steel screws etc.  Electrolytic corrosion is wonderful stuff if it's working for you, that's why anodic blocks protect the hull.  Problem is that in any sandwich of dissimilar metals the anode (the aluminium component) is the bit that corrodes and swells and this is what allows the water in eventually.  Aluminium panels fixed with steel screws are a classic example.  There is even a problem with pop rivets because the stake that expands them (and the broken end is left in the rivet) is steel and starts it's own little corrosion cell.  It's not only metals; I've seen fuel filter housings riddled with pin holes at the level where the oil meets the water (not been drained for years!)  Daft as it looks, the junction of oils and water can set up an electrolytic cell.  In the end you can't win, you just choose the method that resists the corrosion the longest.  SS screws do have the advantage that because they are the cathode, they don't erode and so you stand a chance of getting them out if you need to.  Corrosion has fascinated me for years, it can be set off by so many different circumstances.  As far as the windows on H&E's boat are concerned, the Rolls Royce solution would be to take the offending item out and totally refit, in practice what we all do is find the hole and bung it up.  After all, the object of the exercise is just that, stop the water coming in!


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Another
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Posted - 19/01/2008 : 08:52
Travis,  you're not alone. I did it last year at Asda at Colne. I used a black tubed pump and later found out it was petrol and not diesel. Garage sorted it for me and no effect on warranty. By the time I went back to Asda a couple of days later they had replace the pipe and denied that it had ever been a black one. The lady in  the kiosk gave me a knowing look as I left but It would have been difficult for her to say anything. Nolic


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pluggy
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1164 Posts
Posted - 19/01/2008 : 09:59
Maybe they should have put the narrow nozzles and fuel necks on the diesel......   Laughing


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 19/01/2008 : 11:29
Travis, be thankful it wasnt a helicopter. Before the technical stuff gets elevated to X to the tenth, I can asure you that the method of fixing boat windows through the steel into wood with ss screws is tried and tested. All of our boats were done this way and never developed any problems, we also replaced hundreds of pop rivets in this manner. In answer to a previous question about boat construction, the top sides should be no less than 4mm, cold rolled B grade certificated steel, giving a life expectancy of about 100 years. However ther are a lot of boats about with 3mm topsides many of which are over 60 years old and still structuraly sound. We will be ensuring that FB has full watertight integrity before the forthcoming paint job. Footnote, even a fingerful of Vaseline can be a useful short term remedy.


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panbiker
Senior Member


2301 Posts
Posted - 19/01/2008 : 19:51
Fancied a walk this afternoon so Sally and I walked down to see Cally, Elaine, and Boo. We followed this big bloke along the towpath and it was'nt until we got to the boat and Cally said "looks like another OG convention" that we realised we were in the company of Big Kev and Paulette. Nice to meet you both. BK and I had both gone down to have a look at the Sattelite reception problem on the boat. After a brew and a bit of a natter we set about fixing the setup and sorting out the reception. We had multiple atempts to locate the correct sattelite and eventually managed it with good signal strength but could not get a signal lock. Could be the receiver so we attempted a factory reset and software update on the box. Still no signal lock so BK is going to reset the box using his known good (already optimally aligned) dish re-do the download and test that the box is OK. That should sort it, if not it will prove where the problem lies. Frabjous is pointing the other way now, Cally and E had just arrived back from the winding hole after the about-turn. Nice to see everyone and thanks for the brew. Another quiet night in for the crew, enjoy.


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Ringo
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3793 Posts
Posted - 19/01/2008 : 20:28
Just been out with the dogs and I noticed they were the other way round, is this cause they dont fancy a trip further into Lancashire.


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


36804 Posts
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 07:46
Sorry to hear that H&E haven't got their soaps back yet.....  My old VCR handed in its notice on Friday, went to Garlick's and got an ex rental VCR for £15 and banged it in, retuned it and hey presto....  away we go again.  That's what we all need, cheap and simple remedies to technical problems.


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 20/01/2008 : 09:49
Could be Ringo, given that when you pass Barrowford the cut becomes akin to an open drain. I once had to repair the rudder of a boat in situ, he had run into a submerged "Mini" on that section.


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moh
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6860 Posts
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 14:04
That's true - hubby and I remarked on how clean the canal was around Bank Newton and Gargrave.  Barlick is much cleaner than the Nelson to Burnley stretch - people throw all their rubbish in.
We had a short walk from Barden Mill yesterday and they are full steam ahead with the new marina - machines all over.


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