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Stanley
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Posted -  11/01/2009  :  06:04
New Year, new topic. If you want to see the old one do a forum search for same title but 2008.


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thomo
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Posted - 18/01/2009 : 15:04
Just when I thought I may have frightened everyone off. Bright red it was, probably worth a fortune now as only 400 made. Other items to go the same way were. 1936 MG PA Midget, American cavalry sabre, WW1 Ross Army rifle, Triumph Gloria and massive collection of Dinky Toys, all boxed, Hornby "O" Gauge clockwork train sets, Mistakes of a teenager!


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Stanley
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Posted - 19/01/2009 : 05:26
The suggestion that snooker is dying and ought to make itself more attractive, ie. men shouting inane things and fanfares as the players walk down into the arena. I hate it, snooker is one of the few games where the competitors behave themselves, are polite, keep the testosterone in check and demand a well-behaved audience, they tamper with it at their peril. Also the levels of skill shown in the Master's Final last night. I don't know who won, I wet to bed early but it was wonderful snooker.


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Tizer
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Posted - 19/01/2009 : 10:19
Thomo, we all make mistakes. In about 1976 I wrote off my mini (met a JCB digger coming opposite way at night round a sharp bend on a single track sunken lane) and was offered the chance to buy the MG Magnette of the maintenance engineer at the firm I worked at. It was beautiful, immaculately kept and maintained and everything underneath was red-leaded. But I said no to the offer!


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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 19/01/2009 : 19:17
A slightly belated goodbye to Tony Hart. As much part of my childhood as my daughter's.


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Tizer
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Posted - 19/01/2009 : 19:44
We received this in an email from a Canadian this morning.

Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10 each. The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort.
He next announced that he would now buy monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch it!


The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: "Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each."


The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for 700 billion dollars. They never saw the man or his assistant again, only lots and lots of monkeys! Now you have a better understanding of how the Wall Street bailout plan will work!


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Stanley
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 05:27
I like it. I've got fed up of ex-bankers punditing on the news. At first it was the global crisis not me guv argument. They've dropped that now and are telling us how dangerous it would be if the government took over the benks and governed them. Hopefully they will soon be telling us that it is a big mistake to sack the top men, reduce director's pay and prosecute wrongdoers because in effect, that is what is going to happen in every bank bar HBSC. It's only a matter of time before all the others are in effect nationalised.

'The New Economics' in action?


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Stanley
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 06:20
Did you watch the horror film on Panorama last night? Thousands of people queuing at a football stadium to get to see a doctor for nothing? None of them had money for private treatment, health insurance or access to Medicare.

So, no matter how bad things get we have the NHS. Defend it against all attacks.....


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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 08:03
Defend it against all attacks. That means the Goverment they are always meddling. Need to be careful we don't mistake wanting a well run company for an attack on it. The NHS is very badly managed  and costing billions more than it should do !!!!!!!!

Are we going to end up borrowing money to pay Public Sector Workers,rather than paying them out of Taxation ?? The RBS was amongst the biggest Tax Payer in the Country .



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Tizer
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 09:21
Frank, I agree that the NHS could be better managed but so could many private companies. When I worked for a while for big companies I had private medical insurance provided. I had some good treatment but there was also some terrible waste of money by the private system - no wonder premiums climbed so rapidly and I didn't take it up when I became self-employed.

There's also the Royal Mail versus private companies (courier companies). Running a business selling books worldwide we know the Royal Mail's problems well. But, on a proportional basis, we have had many more failed deliveries from the couriers than we have from the Royal Mail.

The public companies need better management but that doesn't mean we should ditch them for something possibly worse.

(Oh, and talking about private companies' performance I'll mention one further word - banks!)

Edited by - Tizer on 20/01/2009 09:22:59


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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 09:36
Tizer I will mention just one word Russia now what would you prefer ??? I know I would rather have our badly run Private Sector than the alternative.

Don't forget Public ie The Goverment are to blame for quite a lot of this Crisis. It wasn't just the Banks. Godron is spinning this one along, he encouraged Debt  laden Boom. Remember he said Bust had finished so Everyone thought lets "  fill our boots " this will go on  and on forever. Pity it didn't though.



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belle
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 12:55
We have  just had dealings re the NHS re one of our family and they were so helpful, re-arranging surgery to fit in with uni holidays and fitting in stitch removal etc to be fore term re -started, that we wrote personally to thank them. You only have to look at the bits that don't work too well, ie the cleaning, to see how private companies fare in comparison.

One of my friends said recently that their relatives had gone private on two occassions and both had been much worse than NHS...my comment was that when people get into health care for money the focus is usually on the money!

Edited by - belle on 20/01/2009 12:56:23 PM


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frankwilk
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 13:45
" You only have to look at the bits that don't work too well, ie the cleaning, to see how private companies fare in comparison"

My point exactly Belle. Contractors who are managed by the NHS  Management. Would you give a multi million pound contract and tell someone just to get on with it ??? no you would manage the Contract.
I have no problem with the NHS just the cost of it, I do think it is better than the alternative and for Acute Care it can not be bettered.



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Another
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 13:48
I've got to say that in all my dealings with the NHS I have only found just cause to complain once - my own GP practice cannot get prescriptions left at the correct (of two) surgery. Practice manager sorted it and surprise surprise, it was human error.

All my other dealings have been very positive to the extent when Dan was rushed in for surgery the response of Burnley general staff and doctors was superb.
I've noted elsewhere that the vast majority of problems within the NHS were created in the 1980's by the approach of managerialism and privatisation. People employed by the NHS - including cleaners were generally felt to be part of a family and were proud of the work they did. You do not get the same commitment from people on below minimum wages who are not valued fopr the job they do.  Nolic (Member of Airedale NHS Trust)


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handlamp
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 15:21
The NHS has its faults but I hate to imagine what we'd be faced with if it was in the private sector. Think about it, is there one organisation whose service to the public has been really improved since they were privatised? Stretching from 1941 to 1997 I spent 35 years in a nationalised industry and 21 in the private sector. For overall efficiency and particularly for safety and frugality there was no contest - the public won hands down.  


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Stanley
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Posted - 20/01/2009 : 16:49
I'm with Ted. I get fed up with the nit-picking about the NHS. People focus on the tiny proportion of faults and lose sight of the 99.9 % of successful treatments. The advent of the NHS in 1947 was the greatest single social benefit the world has ever seen and we shoul;d never forget it. I know a young lass from America whose uncle found he had cancer and instead of burdening his family with the cost of treatment he committed suicide. This is quite a common occurence and is a dreadful inditement of a country that professes to espouse freedom. The greatest basic freedom there is is the right to not have to worry about the availability of treatment when you need it. We are so lucky and tend to forget it.

On the programme last night there was a wealthy rancher who's views were medieval. I can't tell you how angry I was with him.


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