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Stanley
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Opening text too long so I've moved it to the first response.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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stanley at barnoldswick.freeserve.co.uk
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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 28/01/2009 : 19:25
Not so much dialect, but I heard the phrase "by Jingo" today for the first time in umpteen years. By Jingo!
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tripps
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Posted - 28/01/2009 : 19:52
We don't want to fght
But by jingo if we do
We've got the men
We've got the guns
And we've got the money too......
Originates from the pre Crimean War period I think. About all I remember from GCE History (failed). Stanley's stuff is much more interesting than the Congress of Vienna etc. Especially when you weren't too sure where Vienna was!
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Tizer
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Posted - 28/01/2009 : 20:13
Thomo, I live in Somerset not far from the villages of Beer and Stout. Also close to Huish Episcopi (there's a great old pub there known throughout the country as Eli's ).
Tripps, That rings a bell...I'm told that the tune used for Waltzing Matilda was really Marlborough's marching song used when they were going through the streets recruiting lads.
Who'll come a marching,
Who'll come a marching,
Who'll come a marching with Marlborough and me.
And the drums rang out all through the streets of Rochester,
Who'll come a marching with Marlborough and me.
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Bradders
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Posted - 28/01/2009 : 22:02
Seems that Fash or Fesh must have creapt in from my ex wife's family on Tyneside then...Mmmmm.
The other thing I've been thinking about , in terms of manner of speech , rather than dialect, is.....
Why do people look at me a bit funny (apart from me being Ugly) when I start a sentence with "NOW THEN".....?
or have you discussed this at length already on this site....?
Bradders
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Stanley
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Posted - 29/01/2009 : 06:20
David is right. Used first about the Crimean War and later when there was tremendous enthusiasm for the African War as Billy Brooks called it and he was there. Of course when everyone started to realise what modern warfare was like during the Great War, Jingoism went out of fashion.
Webster says that jingo came into common usage during the 17th century because conjurors used it when making something reappear 'Hey Jingo!' as opposed to 'Hey Presto' to make something disappear. Jingo seems to have originated earlier than that as a euphemism for god.
Brad, I don't think it matters whether it has come up before or not. I've never let it stop me poating something but then you know what old farts are like, they tell you the same thing over and over again.... (Did I mention it's my birthday soon?)
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Bodger
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Posted - 29/01/2009 : 09:47
" finicky/ finickie" = a nit picker, choosy person, is it a proper word ?
"You can only make as well as you can measure"
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Posted - 29/01/2009 : 09:52
Stanley....I've just realized that it's the addition of "THEN" that makes the difference, because you often hear people start a sentence with "NOW"........adding a bit of weight to what they are going to say.
When replying "WELL" has the similar effect, and sort of indicates that you have understood something that has been said ( but that you don't necessarily accept).
And where is this leading ? "WELL THEN" !
Now then , what's all this about BIRTHDAYS .....It's MINE TODAY....Hooray! (got away with it for another year)
Bradders .
PS......I think FINNICKY translates as FADDY in my house !
Edited by - Bradders on 29/01/2009 10:02:07 AM
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Stanley
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Posted - 29/01/2009 : 12:55
I use it often and in my circles it's a sort of How are you The response is often 'alreight!' Extra words at the beginning of sentences are like 'er' or 'loke' they are ploys to give a fraction more thinking time. The exception is when someone uses them to add weight to a response or opinion by signalling that they are giving a considered answer.
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 29/01/2009 : 12:56
PS. Chris Aspin has just mailed me to tell me that when someone in Accrington says Who for he they are actually saying 'oo' which is OE for she. Like in 'Oo's a grand un'
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 29/01/2009 : 13:17
You're Right ...and that extra little bit of thinking time gets more and more necessary!
I've just thought of another use of "NOW THEN !" on it's own ........as in "stop mucking about" ...or ...."don't be naughty"...Ha.
And "WELL THEN !" as an expression of surprise........too......and said differently "WELL THEN?" is "hurry up ,I'm waiting......."
Bradders
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Posted - 30/01/2009 : 07:50
There is a Yiddish word that we don't have an equivalent for and it is very useful. It's 'nu' and the meaning is all sorts of subtle variations around 'any time now?' or 'is something going to happen soon?' Imagine a bloke stood at the bottom of the stairs waiting for someone as they are going out. All he does is shout 'nu' with a slightly rising inflexion. Wonderful word. By the way, i was reminded yesterday that there is no word in the German language for home, they say 'in the house', im hause. How strange....
Stanley Challenger Graham
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belle
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Posted - 30/01/2009 : 09:07
Hello Bradders...nice to hear a new voice. I have only heard 'Fash' in scotland, but imagine it may be in Geordie as well. I thought Boggart was Scottish as I had only heard it there..and things like shoon (shoes) still used in Scotland used to be used in Lancashire, so Fash may have been in usage in the past.
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Posted - 30/01/2009 : 10:15
Thanks Belle.........I should have thought of it earlier...My Grandpa (Dugdale....maternal) had a Scottish grandmother....and he used to say shoon too...that's probably where my Fash came from.....I'll ask Mum.
"Nu" sounds useful , Stanley..........
and for those who haven't heard it before....
Roses are red
Violets are blueish
If it wasn't for Jesus
We'd ALL be Jewish !
Moving on swiftly.......probably a good idea ........My friend Maggie comes from Blackburn way and calls everybody "Chuck" as opposed to "My Duck" which is used round here (Derby)...I don't recall hearing "chuck" in Nelson though.Or do I ...it's been a long time!
And another form of address here is "eye up Surrie" for a bloke......does that get used around Barlick ?
Bradders
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Stanley
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Posted - 30/01/2009 : 10:25
They're Derbyshire Bead, I remember them well. Sithee surrie. You heard them quite a pot at the Hazel Grove and Poynron end of Stockport. Funny, I've just been reminded of dimp for a fag end.....
Stanley Challenger Graham
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Posted - 30/01/2009 : 11:13
Your "nu" reminds me of people referring in writing to New Labour as Nu Labour. But recently bloggers have started changing that to Zanu Labour!
Yes, Bradders, "chuck" does get used in Blackburn. "Aw reight chuck?"
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