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Stanley
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Posted -  11/01/2009  :  06:04
New Year, new topic. If you want to see the old one do a forum search for same title but 2008.


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Tizer
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Posted - 10/04/2009 : 15:07
Another problem with these protests is that they are unfocused. Often we hear that they are anti-globalisation protests. But what is meant by globalisation anyway? Some people such as myself would like to see smaller companies rather than the mega-corporations, and more nationally based companies established especially in the developing world. Help them build there own business structure instead of taking it over. But I wouldn't dream of going on one of these protests. The trouble is, if I voice these concerns I'm likely to get lumped in with those protesters because they dominate the newspapers and TV.


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thomo
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Posted - 10/04/2009 : 16:20
Alright, so I got the wrong word, but I make no pretence of being perfect, "nobody is"!


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Stanley
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Posted - 10/04/2009 : 16:40
Tiz, yes I did and it was very impressive. Anyone who watches that and doesn't make a resolution to do more is on another planet....

Thomo, It is ludicrous to compare the study of history to  'most religious books'. If you really believe that the evidence of history is so inaccurate and has been 'modified to suit the authors thinking' you are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. Unfortunately you are not alone, we could do with more historians in government and fewer accountants and lawyers. I shall continue to  take my lessons from historical record and apply the conclusions I come to when looking at modern events and policies. If you want a good example of the usefulness of this method, study Churchill. He had many faults but it was his knowledge of history that convinced him of the danger from Germany before anyone in government got the message.


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HerbSG
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Posted - 10/04/2009 : 19:16
Just  "reading" history these days is not nearly good enough.  One needs to understand conditions at the relative time, reasons for events etc.  With mass media, simplicity of travel, technology, and instant communication of today many events would have unfolded differently.

Mass protests can be effective, the civil rights movement in the USA , the worlwide demonstrations by the PMOI (Iranians) are good examples of controlled peaceful protest.  It seems to me that a group with a just cause, looking for a positive outcome, can get their point across without violence.

When a legitimate protest is organised the "rent-a-mob" fools are/should be excluded from the demonstration, no one should be allowed to participate carrying "cans" or anything else that can be considered/used as a weapon.

Medical conditions should be considered before active participation is allowed, as should past history (just like football hooligans being excluded from games).

Efficient and effective demonstrations do not need "a lot of pumped up adrenaline junkies" to make a point.

Tizer you are absolutely right "there are better ways in the 21st century".

The IRA issue was a "war" to some people, and the cause may well have been hijacked by some for personal gain.

The schism between the West and Islam is not something new as history reflects.  HISTORY, oh yes, that ever changing storybook of life, influenced from generation to generation by "historians" confusing their  outlook on life and real events.  Even now we have the so called words of the Koran being passed on in Afghanistan by Mullahs who are in fact illiterate and have never read the "book".

Thank God we have the right to our opinions, and the right to peacefully disagree with others and to peacefully demonstrate against the things/regimes that we disagree with.

If you want to go out and demonstrate (not riot) you have the right to do so, you might need a permit..because of traffic disruptions etc, If you want to cause damage or injury to person or property then be prepared to suffer a whack across the head  or an unwelcome shower from the duly appointed authority there to protect me.

Thomo I may now be subjected to derision (contemptuous  or jeering laughter, ridicule). 


HERB


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Stanley
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:44
I note that in a report about the death of a french person in a rescue from a hijacked yacht it was said that it wasn't certain whether he was killed by a pirate or a stray rescuer's bullet. The first thought that struck me was does it really matter?


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Stanley
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 08:07
PS. I forgot to mention the preliminary report from the air accident investigators about the failure of the gearbox on the Super Puma. I once talked to an RAF rescue helicopter pilot on one of the last commercial flights out of Prestwick (a lovely little airport) and we were on a DC10. He was telling me that he didn't know why he was flying on one of these planes as they were the oldest in the fleet! He also told me that the assembly which holds the rotors on to the shaft was called the Jesus Nut because if the rotors come off a helicopter is an airborne brick. You can't glide a brick, it just falls. I hope they sort it out soon for the sake of all those who are forced to use them.


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thomo
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 08:54
Good morning all. Jesus Nut, I see a "parafin pigeon" near here every day that has on of those, the rotor looks as though it is attached to the top of a pole attop the body. Helicopters such as Puma and Lynx have a very complex rotor head that facilitates rotor blade angle of attack adjustment and folding, Each of the blades is fitted into a casting of considerable proportions and I used to machine these things, I could just manage to lift one from floor to milling table, heck of a lump.  Happy Easter Herb, and the rest of you.


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Stanley
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:09
Late report that employees of the CPS in London who fought their way into work through 6 inches of snow have been given a bonus of £250 for 'going the extra mile'. Funny, but I thought that it was a normal part of the job. If I had a penny a mile for the snow, and even worse the fog and black ice, I'd be a very weathy man.


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thomo
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:20
You and me both Stan, I was a temporary postman for four months in the snows of 63 with a semi rural walk. I got the feeling that six inches in London would be three anywhere else.


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Tizer
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 11:49
Lord Mandelspin has fallen out with Darling Alastair over the proposed £2000 incentive to hand in your 9-year-old (or older) car and buy a 1-year-old (or younger) set of wheels. The Treasury seems to be blocking the proposal. The car industry claims that it will receive a much needed boost and it will replace old inefficient cars with better ones. I suppose thete is some truth in the claim of lowering car emissions, but it is a long way from what could have been done if the motor industry had its heart in eco-freindly cars. I think the £2000 incentive would most likely be a way of shifting all those thousands of already old `new' cars sitting in massive compounds like the one up the M5 from here at Avonmouth. Most of them have high carbon emmissions compared with the so-called `green' motors available. Another concern is that most people with cars 9 years or older are going to need a lot more than £2000 to buy a car 1 year old. So the difference is going to come from credit loans -  which the car industry wants to be made easier to obtain. We seem to be in a vicious loop.


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Stanley
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 17:18
I agree Tiz, it seems to me to be another example of putting the money in the wrong place. If a car company can't sell its cars it is in the same position as any other concern and mass bail out won't do the trick. What we need is money injecting into the economy at the bottom to get the multiplier effect.

I note the Benefit Agency has chosen this time to alter the way they pay benefits which in effect means it hangs on to the money for longer. Brilliant strategy......  


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Tizer
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 18:25
I heard the other day that `antique dealers' are asking for a bailout because business has dropped off. What next?


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Stanley
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 06:51
If that is true, there is no limit to greed and irresponsibility and we are all doomed...


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frankwilk
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 07:24
If we can all see it, why can't the powers that be not see it.???  I really think this lot have lost any credibility that they once had. As for the smear campaign being plotted against the tories, does no one have any sense of decency left. ? I really do think we need an election.



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handlamp
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 16:12

I agree, Frank, and I can't believe that our blessed leader was unaware of what one of his, so called, star men was planning to do. This is the chap who promised to clean things up after taking over from TB. Mind you some of the Tory stated priorities on taking office that are being floated such as privatising the NHS, reforming the ban on hunting, and breaking what had been binding commitments on public service pay don't appear to be exactly vote winners.  


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