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Stanley
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Posted -  11/01/2009  :  06:04
New Year, new topic. If you want to see the old one do a forum search for same title but 2008.


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melteaser
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Posted - 14/01/2009 : 07:41
1000 redundancies in Stoke on Trent yesterday. 387 went at Wedgwood.

I think it is a total of 1700 from JCB in the last year.

Edited by - melteaser on 14/01/2009 07:42:34 AM


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melteaser
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Posted - 14/01/2009 : 07:43
I don't think it started out as a JCB site Tizer though heavy machinery was made there.


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Stanley
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Posted - 14/01/2009 : 17:06
The news that Vivienne Westwood has designed a dog coat that sells for £2,400.  90% of the world staring poverty or hard times in the face and they think this is appropriate. It's like slapping poor people in the face. Look at me, I can afford to spend silly money!

Even more worrying the discussion I heard on Today on R4 about whether dogs need cats or not. I've never heard such twaddle in my life. The only dogs that need protection are the ones which are trained to the point where they carry hardly any body fat, like a racing Greyhound or a very old dog that is failing. All the others have a metabolic system that can keep them warm. One of the defences is shivering but people see this as a sign the dog needs protection. Funnily enough it's usually the fattest dogs that have the coats.

I note that the KC has introduced new breeding standards that address some of the problems caused by them in the past. About time to!  Bulldog breeders are protesting because the dogs they have bred with flat faces are now 'not of type'. Good. I hope King Charles spaniels are included and a host of other ruined breeds.


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HerbSG
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 08:08
Stanley, of course dogs need cats, they need something to chase and be entertained!   heee heee


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belle
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 09:14
This country has gone mad, and freedom of speech is a thing of the past, now we have to be oh, so, careful even in private. The socialist ideals that seemd so forward thinking, childcare for all woman so they can return to work, have led to a generation who have brought them selves up and are behaving in a way that reflects that...but what caught my attention more than all of this, is that an English Publisher is putting Nazi propoganda papers from the war into German papers so that a new generation of Germans can "debate the war!"

The timing of this in regard to the economic downturn, the very climate that made facism appealing in the first place, could not be worse.. and my thoughts go out to the Jews (am i allowed to use that term it is not meant abusively?.. yet if ever there was a term of abuse that must be one of the longest used!) who are living in Germany, as it does to those who are under threat of missiles on a daily basis and are castigated for eventually trying to stop it...that does not mean I approve of what is going on in gazza.. not being a person to take sides the Palestinaians  plight seems only more desperate to me, and the sooner a cease fire can be negotiated the better. ..but I so wish people could look at situations with objectivity instead of being whipped up into jumping on whatever band wagon that is passing. If you are looking for someone to blame for many of the problems in the world today... my first contender would have to be the media..they may not always start the problems but they certainly know how to make things worse. 

Personally I am wondering if I want to grow old in a country too frightend of it's immigrant population to be able to employ common sense, or in a world that is so lacking in balanced considered opinion that it just lurches from one extremist regime to another. 


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frankwilk
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 09:35
my first contender would have to be the media..they may not always start the problems but they certainly know how to make things worse. 

We tend to forget the only reason the media exist is to make profit for the owners,    The Truth or the Facts are not of Revelvance. It's Profit

Personally I am wondering if I want to grow old in a country too frightend of it's immigrant population to be able to employ common sense.
I don't believe we need to be afraid of the immigrant population it's the political correct minority, of the indiginous population we need to be afraid of. Look at the latest with Prince Chales  " Sooty " is not bothered by the name, so why should anyone else be. Unless of course "Sooty" is afraid to say he dosen't like it ????



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Stanley
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 11:40
That's one of the problems isn't it Frank. Think of the rarified atmosphere in that polo club. If 'Sooty' didn't like the name and said so would he be supported or ostracised? I don't know the answer but I do recognise the pressures and the possible consequences. It all gets far too complicated and my only response is to switch off. I do think Belle has a point, common sense and toleration are not as widely used now as they used to be. I don't want to go any deeper but if you take notice extremist positions are more common these days, I suspect because as Frank says, those are the ones the media latches onto.


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Tizer
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 16:52
There was something on the news about a church being used for a marriage in the East Enders soap opera. The TV folk covered up the cross "so as not to offend anyone" and now the vicar is up in arms about it.


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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 19:30
I lost a day. I've been on the 14th all day long. What happened down here?


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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 19:31
Just realised that pay day is a day closer. Not at all bothered about losing that day now.


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Bodger
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Posted - 15/01/2009 : 20:23
Belle, i know you are going to chew my spheroids off, but as an old fashioned Yorkshire man i got married 46 years ago, my wife never had a job, she was too busy employed as a mother & housewife, . I am not saying women should'nt work, but if they marry, the husband works and keeps the family, the world went mad when wives went to work, there was no one at home to teach moral, and ethic values, bring back motherhood, (i was more scared of my mother than my dad),,,stop paying single parent money,, sorry if i'm ranting, now theres a questionable word, I am researching my family genealogy, and i have no working mothers, they were to busy being the matriacht and running the home and family, in our early days, my wages were tipped on the table, my wife allocated money to be paid, and i might get a couple of bob for myself. Sorry i'm not sure why i started this, but the worlds gone mad.


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marilyn
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Posted - 16/01/2009 : 06:13
I tend to agree with a lot of the things you are saying Bodger...
Febby and I were having a discussion that touched on some of these points the other day. Between us we have three fully grown sons ranging in age from 29 to 34years...all bachelors...with nothing even remotely permanent in their lives in regard to partners.
The world is changing....and I don't think it is as much fun as it once was! Relationships are becoming more confusing too. I think the boundaries and expectations we took for granted are very blurred nowadays.
I'll stick my neck out on the chopping block here, and say that I tend to blame this on sexual freedom, which youngsters can enjoy without an ounce of commitment. Why get into the tedium of lasting relationships when needs can be met without it?
I think we tended to know our partners better before things progressed in that direction...
I'd be interested to know others' thoughts on this.
(don't think it is just rantings of a grumpy old woman...)


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melteaser
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Posted - 16/01/2009 : 06:21
Our house was the same Bodger with regards the wages (mum dealt with it all) but mum had to go to work once we were all in school as they could not afford for her to be at home. She only worked school hours though and was always there to walk us to school and to walk home again. I think I was more afraid of dad, without reason. He never once smacked me. The threat was enough though it was mum who made the threats - 'just wait till your dad gets home and I tell him what you've done'.

I emphasise the fact that mum walked us to and from school. Mum has never been able to drive but some of the best chats and the most fun was during those walks.  We would tell her about our day and we would call in at the wreck on the way home and get a quick go on the swings, witches hat etc.

My parents could not have raised me any better, I don't think I turned out too bad even though they thought I would be the one to bring any trouble home when I was older. They didn't get rid of me until I was 27! They have my utmost respect and love. I don't have kids and I don't want kids but I'd like to think that if  the unthinkable happened, I'd follow my mum's example in the way I raised them.


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Stanley
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Posted - 16/01/2009 : 06:36
I sympathise with Bodge and have a similar life history. The biggest single factor is the rise in house prices. I bought Hey Farm with seven acres for 200 X my (low)  weekly wage. Today, with no land it would be at least 1000 X the average industrial wage for a week. Add ro that all the changes in media, entertainment and education and you have part of the answer.

Watching the pics of the Airbus in the Hudson I marvelled at the skill of the pilot and the strength of the airplane. I remembered an old story about Rolls at Gill Brow where they had the test beds before the bigger fan jets came in. They used to simulate bird strike by chucking dead hens into the engines. They slipped up one day and used a deep frozen one that hadn't thawed properly. Ooops!


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tripps
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Posted - 16/01/2009 : 09:10
Noted today, and It's starting to worry me....

Bank of America had to be rescued by US government at 2 am local time. This is the bank that bought Merrill Lynch to rescue it. The rescue has now brought down the Bank of America.

Anglo Irish Bank was taken over by the Irish government yesterday, as a N Rock type run on the bank was getting underway yesterday.  This is the country which "guaranteed" all deposits recently. (Since changed to 100,000 euro). Our Parish Council has a large amount "invested"  in this bank.The bank today, the country (another Iceland) tomorrow?

Southampton docks is overflowing with Honda cars from Swndon,  meant for export to Russia, and Eastern Europe. The transporter ships are anchored in the roads, as there is no point in loading cars which cannot now be sold. The Baltic Shipping Index is at an all time low. No one is shipping anything.

The German government is giving a 2500 euro "scrapping bonus"to any one who buys a new car. Since Germans usually only buy German cars, surely this is an indirect subsidy to their industry, but, what do the rules matter when you industry is in trouble.  They say there is a net carbon reduction as the new car is more efficient.

Gordon's constant mantra of 'global crisis' is starting to look true. This thing is just getting going, and will last a long time.




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