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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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Stanley Challenger Graham




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catgate
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Posted - 26/03/2011 : 18:16
So what is this money stuff? Where does it come from? How does one get it?


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 26/03/2011 : 18:29
Simples Catty, go abroad and then come back as an asylum seeker or itinerant foreign chef. that should get you started, then the only way is up. In fact I can think of a few places that you could return from with all the necessary paperwork, for a small consideration of course.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 26/03/2011 : 19:35
Belle the Typical Socialist giving/laying claim to other Peoples Money .

" there is nothing to stop people like yourself who are richly blessed, giving money to the council or the Govt "
I am not richly blessed with money just political savvy, I can understand reality ie We can't spend what we don't have, either as a person or a country.  Is that so wrong not wanting my own personal debt or other peoples debt to be piled onto my Children or Grandchildren.
Bradders you still haven't grasped Ponzi Schemes.
 You pay in money in the HOPE that you will get it back in the future that is what NI is a Ponzi Scheme.
Only problem is now we have more people taking out than putting in, hence the dash for all Political Parties to increase the Retirement Age to try to prevent a Crash. They are not raising the Retirement Age to be Popular. Now think about it before you respond why are they doing it ???


Edited by - frankwilk on 26/03/2011 8:57:42 PM



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Bradders
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Posted - 26/03/2011 : 22:42


quote:
frankwilk wrote: why are they doing it ???


Edited by - frankwilk on 26/03/2011 8:57:42 PM

......to stop older people having too much time on their hands , loafing about on golf courses, and coming up with potty ideas about how National Insurance is or isn't  financed , maybe ....? Wink


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catgate
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Posted - 26/03/2011 : 22:55


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thomo wrote:
Simples Catty, go abroad and then come back as an asylum seeker or itinerant foreign chef. that should get you started, then the only way is up. In fact I can think of a few places that you could return from with all the necessary paperwork, for a small consideration of course.

No, I am not asking about the money that is "handed out" by the state, thomo. I am asking about the steps before that.


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belle
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Posted - 26/03/2011 : 22:58
I am not a socialist Frank....
Frank said "Only problem is now we have more people taking out than putting in"

That's because those who can easily afford to put more in decline to do so and instead make constant reference to those who can't afford to do so having to sort the situation out...typical Tory solution as this Govt is amply demonstrating.
PS apologies for the bold type, when I copied Franks statement I got stuck in his shouting mode..can't seem to get it off.



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Bradders
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Posted - 26/03/2011 : 23:45
Shut up, Eccles !


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 05:58
Belle, It's annoying isn't it. If you want to highlight a quote best thing to do is type it normally inside quotation marks with a space at the end. Then highlight the text only, hit the bold button and then go back and put the cursor outside the quotation marks. The text will then be normal.

I can just imagine Ted reading all this nonsense about bus passes being expensive and who pays for what. I think that like me he will remember working for 15p an hour and doing 100 hours some weeks to support the family. No superannuation, just a promise that we would be looked after in old age. We kept the trains running, made sure your milk was on the doorstep at 6 in the morning and ran the bus service that got you to work. The more essential the job, the worse the wage. 

Now all I see is people who had an easier path and are in consquence better off complaining because the worst off are being helped by the state, People attributing all ills to migrants. People ranting about too much money being spent on social services.

Far better to do what hundreds of thousands of good people did yesterday, make an orderly protest. Of course they will be hijacked by small minorities out to cause trouble but the basic point has been made and a mark has been made on the balance sheet by the ordinary people drawing attention to the fact that in the fourth richest economy in the world, the only financial plan the incompetent and tribal politicians can come up with is to cut public services. Meanwhile, the capital holders rake in the profits and the gap between the richest and poorest in society inreases even faster. This opinion isn't Socialism with a capital letter, it's social responsibilty and Belle, you are as much a socialist as I am.

What we need is less chest-beating and Cruise Missiles and more honesty and compassion. Less right-wing concentration on 'mindless yobs'  and 'benefit scroungers' and more recognition for reasonable, peaceful people making a valid point. In case you missed it, it was a protest against the terrible gamble of the dash for 'sound money' by the ConDem coalition. It's a valid point, this tactic failed after 1920, failed even more miserably in the 1930s and it will fail again. At best it will give a slow recovery but at a terrible cost to the poorest in society. This is a gambler's policy driven by political ideology and not based on logical economics aimed at getting a recovery before the next General Election. It is not aimed at being impartial or progressive. When will they learn that the way to grow an economy, especially in a world where everyone is fighting to export, is to grow the domestic economy and the worst way to do that is to bleed the consumers dry. Notice that the US economy is recovering faster than we are and ask why. The answer is as it always has been, the US is a high wage economy and domestic consupmtion is strong enough to drag them out of recession, they don't need to rely on exports. Someone should read the history, but that needs effort and intellect and a willingness to learn, not dogma and 19th century laisser faire politics.

The big mistake was when Godron threw all the money at the bankers instead of investing in public projects to get money flowing in the economy again, the good banks would have survived and the unsound gone to the wall. Pure market economics but for once the monetarists didn't fancy sticking to their beliefs. Too dangerous for their own pockets!

My brand of social responsibilty was what drove the government in 1945 and look what they gave us, a society where the workhouse and fear of disabilty and disease was lifted from the masses. An economy that worked and dragged us out of the far worse fiscal situation we were in after fighting a world war. Better housing and a transport system that worked.  A banking system that was tightly controlled and served the customers. Go and work out for yourselves what happened and learn the lessons.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 08:28
......to stop older people having too much time on their hands , loafing about on golf courses, and coming up with potty ideas about how National Insurance is or isn't  financed , maybe ....?

You really don't have any idea at all. I used to think it was just you being awkward but now I am convinced you really don't have any idea. We used to have a term for it which slips my mind at the moment.



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frankwilk
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 08:33
15p an hour and doing 100 hours
Good money that Stanley  £15 a week when you could buy a House for £100
Stanley check your History Book with regards to when the Workhouses Closed.
The US is piling up Debt faster than any Nation has every done, Can't you remember that is how the downturn started. People borrowing for Houses they couldn't afford ??



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frankwilk
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 08:43
Belle
I love it how you are still sharing out other peoples money. Use the common denominator and level everyone seems to be a mantra. Don't you see we will all end up lower if you stop the people who  deliver at the top end. We don't just talk about bankers here we talk about hard working people paying 40% tax and NI.
 I would agree the whole welfare system needs to be looked at, and made fairer, lets not give everyone something.
 Means tests will need to be applied to make it fair now hear the squeals about that.



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Bradders
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 09:44


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frankwilk wrote:. We used to have a term for it which slips my mind at the moment.Ask Matron........



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frankwilk
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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 10:19
I can't ask Matron she is changing someones nappy, let me know when she is done and I will ask her.
It can't get any simplier than this.

UK National Debt - how Britain owes over £900 billion

The facts and figures on DebtBombshell are out of date now, but this site is more relevant than ever. It doesn't matter what colour tie they wear - our politicians just can't stop spending money they don't have. The numbers involved are frightening. So why is the world's sixth richest country so deeply in debt?

Every year the UK runs a large budget deficit. The Government spends more money than it can tax, so we plug the gap by selling bonds to investors at home and abroad. These bonds - known as gilts - have to be repaid in full, with interest. Added together, our unpaid loans make up the UK's national debt.

Right now, that debt is growing violently. The Government forecasts it will soar to an eye-watering £1.1 trillion by 2011. To put that in perspective, the UK went bust in 1976 running a budget deficit of 6% of GDP. In 2010 that deficit is going to top 11%.

Historically, our debt burden was heavier after World War II. But like any loan, if the money isn't invested wisely we end up borrowing even more. When the Government runs up huge debts and produces nothing to show for it, we're the ones that shoulder the burden. This year that burden will grow by £167.9 billion.

The state has been wasting our money for decades. Weak politicians have bribed voters with endless amounts of borrowed cash. As a result, in 2010 the interest on the national debt will cost £42.9 billion a year. That's more than we spend on defence, and not much less than the entire education budget.

Future generations won't thank us for mortgaging their future. At best, national debt will be a millstone round our children's necks. But if lenders lose faith in Britain there could be profound consequences for our currency, our country and our lives.



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frankwilk
Senior Member


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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 10:23
I don't just blame Labour for this, the Conservatives are as much to blame. I think the only difference is who is ready to act to stop it.



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Bradders
Senior Member


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Posted - 27/03/2011 : 13:03
Oooph ! All that zinc and castor oil.......... she's all yours.

Have you remembered yet ?

Incidentally , I don't think it's obligatory to hand in your sense of humour when you cross the bridge at Berwick. (either way)


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