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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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frankwilk
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 18:10
Can't question the staff very easily now they have been disbanded !!
 I do wonder at the Police if they have been sat on this for so long, how and why has it dribbled out over the past week.Clever move to shut down the NOW it was a tarnished brand beyond repair.

Edited by - frankwilk on 07/07/2011 7:10:27 PM



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Bradders
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 01:21
Damage limitation........and window dressing.

......however , with a bit of luck  this will still scupper the BskyB deal .......


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Stanley
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 04:38
Agreed Brad, they will reopen under another name when they think they can get away with it. Shame about the decent workers who will get the chop. News is that Coulson will be arrested today, he has been warned of this by the police. Doesn't say a lot for Cameron's judgement. I can remember when Frank was telling me it was all overblown....  I can't see how Rebekah is going to survive. Of course her mate Dave might help her out. 'Huntin, fishin and shootin' has a value after all. I wonder if he'll be having Xmas lunch with her this year?

 As for the BSkyB deal, the only thing that is holding it up is the fact that they have over 100,000 objections to work through. The only hope is OfCom, if they address the question again on the basis of whether the Murdoch organisation is 'fit and proper'.

What struck me was the cynical way they blew away 168 years of history. I thought brands like that had a value?

Only positive thing I can see is that the general opinion seems to be that the degradation of the News International image has reached the point where MPs aren't afraid of them any more. It seems to have sunk in that despite Murdoch's support the Tories couldn't win the General Election.

Just heard James Murdoch defending his position. Breathtaking spin.  According to him Newscorp initiated the investigation and Rebekah Wade/Brooks is a shining example of ethical leadership. Really?

Meanwhile, in another part of the woods the Lancet publishes data which suggest a correlation between a rise in suicide rates and the depth of financial problems in European countries.


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Stanley
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 08:37
Later on... Charming vignette from inside Wapping that just about sums it all up. Rebekah called a staff meeting and everyone thought she was going to announce her resignation. She announced their's instead! Word is that she had to be escorted out of the building by security staff. Great management style!


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frankwilk
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 09:07
Stanley your on a bandwagon. How else could she have done it  "by e-mail "  Cynical I think sometimes your the cynical one
This hacking started in 2006 now who was the Goverment at the time ? please remind me was it Dave ?.
Don't forget the evidence was around in 2006 it hasn't just appeared,the Information Commissioner said at the time the DM and PE were suspected of hacking. This isn't over yet I suspect more to be revealed. Being arrested and being convicted are two very different things.
One thing I would agree on is that the Press and Politics have both been harmed by this, if you live in the sewer you tend to get covered in s**t.
This is all about the decline of the Press and the Perceived influence of the Press. People are more and more going online for the news so the Newspapers have been looking for tittle tattle on celebraties to try to boost sales,and it got out of hand. After all Newspapers are all commercial organisations and that includes the Guardian as well as the BET. I know we can have a Goverment Newspaper, then when the politicos want to cheat on expenses it won't be reported. We need the Press to be an independent body with the PCC to have real teeth that's what is required.
When Brooks said at the Select Committe Yes we sometimes do pay the Police for Information why was that not followed up ??
Like me Stanley you are offering opinion on something you don't really know anything about.
We both know it has been wrong, but we don't know more than that, we will just have to leave it to the powers that be to sort out.



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frankwilk
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 09:12
Meanwhile, in another part of the woods the Lancet publishes data which suggest a correlation between a rise in suicide rates and the depth of financial problems in European countries.

Wow that is Investigation Journalism at it's best, nowt better to print to fill the pages !!!




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frankwilk
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 09:30
Bradders wrote

however , with a bit of luck  this will still scupper the BskyB deal .......
 
Please explain why scuppering the BskyB deal will be  bit of luck ? Thanks to Murdock and BSkyB I can watch the Test Match, Premier Football, Golf from around the World etc, oh and get cheap broadband if I want it.
It is up to the Regulators and the Markets to control broadcasting to a certain extent, if it's not supplying what the Public want it will close down like the News of the World.
I for one wouldn't like to have to rely on the BBC as my only source of News.





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belle
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 10:01
"Like me Stanley you are offering opinion on something you don't really know anything about".....
Frank, I am not sure you have got the hang of this site, it is just ordinary people talking..did you think it was some sort of official platfom? Might explain the line you always take!


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frankwilk
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 13:50
Forums are places people air their views, I do believe that to be a correct interpretation ?? and if you are against that view you have the right of reply.
I am sure you will explain to me if that is an incorrect view.



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Tardis
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 15:34
I agree about BSkyB, if you don't like it, don't buy it

I certainly won't, the football is on Five Live and much better

...and I won't pay for the BBC either, until it actually is impartial and starts to report the news instead of speculating.


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thomo
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 15:59
It has just been reported that another London newspaper has been raided by the police, the daily star. Aside from all of the verbal aggro on here, it is becoming clear that once again the great insatiable beast that is the Capitol is at the centre of most of the problems. Stanley commented earlier about the growth of mega cities, he is right, they may be marvelous creations of diversity, but they have an hunger that the rest of the planet cannot sustain, they are fast becoming, all take and no give, no production, just paperwork. If ever there was a cancer without a cure, they are it. There is ambition, which is fine, most of us have or had ambition, but it sometimes turns to greed, more will never be enough, the rest of us get by, or make do, this does not appear to be the case in the capitol. I am not talking about your ordinary citizen of course, this is about the culture that has grown up around them, that festering brigade for whom the world is not enough, the banks, the press, the list is endless. I suppose that I am biased, for I have never been a city lover, just a country lad, what happens around here does not impact much upon my life, its what happens in places like London that disturbs the beauty of living here.


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Bradders
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 23:00


quote:
frankwilk wrote:

Please explain why scuppering the BskyB deal will be  bit of luck ? Thanks to Murdock and BSkyB I can watch the Test Match, Premier Football, Golf from around the World etc, oh and get cheap broadband if I want it.

Ahem.......

....stunning , eh !

 


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Stanley
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 06:04
Even breathtaking!

Interesting to watch Cameron on the backfoot yesterday. During the process of employing Andy Coulson a thorough background check would be done which would include opinions and suspicions from a variety of sources.  Either those sources cocked-up or Cameron decided to ignore them. 'Giving people a second chance' doesn't cut it when you are making a key government support appointment.Question is why did he make the mistake? Who advised him? A lot more to it than meets the eye.

There has always been a nasty smell of old scores being settled since this matter started. Noticeable that nobody in power has thanked the Guardian for blowing the whistle. Remember it was the Telegraph that did the same thing for Parliamentary expenses. Love them or hate them, a Free Press has its advantages. I also noted that Edwina Curry was doing a lot of spluttering this morning. How did her affair with John Major become public? I don't buy this date of 2005, this was when the MET first got Mulcare's notebooks. This practice has been going on for much longer. Remember the conversations between Chuck and Camshaft being 'accidentally overheard? No wonder emails are reported as being erased from computers at Wapping. Question is, how busy are many more people destroying hard drives?

One of my favourite quotes is from Ian Fleming's 'From Russia With Love'. Rosa Klebb was summoned to a meeting of the praesidium and realised that she was going to be made party to state secrets. Fleming described it as being 'given a glimpse through the furnace door'. That's what we are getting here, a glimpse of one tiny corner of the corruption and double-dealing in the seat of power. Not very pretty. Nothing new of course about insider dealing and manipulation. Read Harold Nicholson's diaries. Wonderful accounts of state policy being decided round Lady Astor's dinner table.


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tripps
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 09:04
"Hacking" has been going on since these devices were invented. Remember the Duke of Edinburgh was a "victim" in the 1980's when is Prestel mail box was invaded.  Take a look here for more detail.
I think this whole thing has been overblown.  As I understand it they were not intercepting the actual phone calls, just peoples voicemails.   Distateful, but I guess most of the people involved have suffered no harm and were totally unaware that they had been invaded.  If they valued this information so highly - why did they do nothing to keep it secure?  I think there is the  hope of financial compensation here.  Remember the TV series 'Drop the Dead Donkey'
I see the Daily Mash agrees with me that Rebeckah must have information that would put Murdoch in jail. It's the only explanation that makes sense.   


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Tardis
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 10:32
Hacking is nothing new:

Ed was asked by Adam Boulton about Tom Baldwin yesterday, because Tom Baldwin stands accused of using  a private detective to raid the Tory party’s bank accounts for a story in 1999 when he wrote the stories about Lord Ashcroft. It is detailed in Lord Ashcroft's book and Tom baldwin has never denied it. Ed was by all accounts a bit wobbly. No doubt the clip will show up on you tube.

On top of which a Guardian reporter today has admitted to getting a policeman to look at a supposedly secret database only open to the police to reveal that Coulson was being questioned.


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