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panbiker
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Posted -  28/01/2008  :  17:33
According to this weeks BET, there is a proposal by Maple Grove Developments (Preston) to create a Supermarket and Car Parking for 275 cars on the current Carlson Filtration site at Butts. Apparently, plans are already underway to create a new food store and car park. The plans are at an early stage and rest on obtaining planning permission and a successful re-location of the Carlson Filtration operations.

You can read the article in the Barnoldswick and Earby Times (BET) and comment on the article here:

www.pendletoday.co.uk

The development company is holding an exhibition of the proposed plans on
Wednesday 30th Jan 2008 at the Rainhall Centre from 2.30pm to 7.30pm.

Good or bad idea, discuss..

Edited by - panbiker on 28/01/2008 17:45:05


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Callunna
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Posted - 01/02/2008 : 15:44
Daft, isn't it though?

People are crying out for affordable homes and the government says the country needs more housing. It seems it's OK for certain councils to build on greenbelt but others can't even use brownfield sites.

Some pen-pusher has calculated that Pendle hasn't enough retail outlets so it would be OK to bung a new development wherever there's space.

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Anni
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Posted - 01/02/2008 : 21:24
Now that Big Kev has clarified for me where it is, I'm still stunned.  I can't get over the idea of all that traffic down that narrow road.

Anyway, something popped up into the front of my "brain" filing cabinet.  A few years ago, I remember some talk of planning permission being handled by the ODPM (Office of the Deputy Prime Minister) and the ODPM being able to over-ride any planning decisions made by local councils.  I don't know whether it ever came to fruition.  If it did, I would not be surprised to find out that all planning applications are linked to performance targets for councils and Government funding is linked to it.


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HerbSG
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Posted - 01/02/2008 : 23:13
Since there is a moratorium on housing development , both private and public, does this mean that there should a similar moratorium on development of retail space ( since the additional units would require more staff, but there would be no where for them to live) no industrial development and oh yes no immigration!


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Stanley
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Posted - 02/02/2008 : 06:33
It's connected with Prescotts mad scheme to demolish houses where there was no demand for them.  Elevate?  I took the trouble to enquire whether there was any extension of this scheme to Barlick when it first came out and was told that no, there was going to be no elevate activity in Barlick as it was a different case than Nelson.  So why not accept that there is a need for affordable housing in Barlick?  It's a blanket policy and one size does not fit all.


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Ringo
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 09:15
Anyone who wants to look at the plans for the supermarket can go to the council shop and they are in the window.


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P.V.C Man
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Posted - 06/02/2008 : 00:19
Hi just to say! any one remember the store they erected in Earby i think it was going to be a kwik save it was empty for years then they flattened it and erected some houses on the plot,why din't they put houses on the land down butts instead of a store? 


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Stanley
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Posted - 06/02/2008 : 05:03
Haven't they just started to build on it?  Town houses?


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Ringo
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Posted - 06/02/2008 : 09:21


quote:
P.V.C Man wrote:
Hi just to say! any one remember the store they erected in Earby i think it was going to be a kwik save it was empty for years then they flattened it and erected some houses on the plot,why din't they put houses on the land down butts instead of a store? 


You are right there was a Supermarket built but Kwik Save pulled out when it was built. Weston EU bought the site on the understanding they could use it for industrial purposes but that was latter refused by the council.So they had no other option but to use it for housing and have just finished building a unit on the West Craven Business Park in Earby.


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panbiker
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 17:14
For anyone who has not seen the plans for the proposed supermarket development at Butts, here it is.

Map of proposed supermarket at Butts

Note the roundabout on Church Street and the narrow approach to the site. The goods entrance is at the middle left side of the plan off Monkroyd estate.


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Stanley
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 17:35
I had a good look at it in the Council Shop window and the problems are just as you described them.  If I was to be forced into a prediction based on logic this will never be allowed.  The potential for congestion, disturbance and light and noise pollution is quite horrendous...  But when did that have any bearing on a plan that has the 'right' backing in the planning system.  Before anyone objects to that slur, let's be frank and realise that not all planning decisions are fair and unbiased.  I wonder what the lads at the Co-op estates have been up to since I alerted them......


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Stanley
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 06:16
Didn't realise you had a shop Spitty....  In that case you'll have noticed that I have been plugging support for local shopping for years.  Local shops are competitive, convenient and above all, keep the profits in the town.  It's no accident that the period which saw the major improvements and expansion in Barlick was fuelled by local profit staying in the town.  It was a virtuous circle and anything that threatens the already overwhelming negative balance we have now can only mean slow deterioration to a dormitory suburb for West Yorks and East Lancs and loss of character.  One thing is certain, a local campaign can't do anyting but good.


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moh
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 11:44
What type of shop is it Spit?


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panbiker
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 12:02
On Traffic grounds alone this proposal beggars belief. There is nothing in the plan to increase access for 275 cars plus goods traffic. The big danger I see is that the other end of Butts will be used as a "rat run" to and from Gisburn Road. This would force traffic through a residential area which contains two sheltered housing blocks, Hollins Court and Robinson Court. Look at the problems they have in Colne on Alkincoats as drivers try to avoid the nightmare of North Valley Road at peak times. Ok, this is the discharge from an ill conceived Moterway termination but this plan would suffer some of the same effects. The roundabout proposal on Church Street is another pinch point in the plan. Even if they clip the corners at the top of Butts to create room for the roundabout, the road still narrows at the bottom of Jepp Hill. The fact that this site is bordered on three sides by existing residential areas and is bang in the middle of a conservation area should relegate this plan to the scrap heap where it belongs. If it was developed for housing It could have access from Calf Hall Road, Monkroyd Avenue and both ends of Butts without a great deal of problem, without a roundabout, no floodlights and much greater safety and it would benefit the town if the right kind of housing was built. The plan as it stands is a bloody nonsense and the quicker people wake up to this the better.


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Callunna
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 21:37
I might have posted this before or I might just have thought it but I'll say it anyhow. My connection is quite slow tonight so I can't be moidered trawling back through this thread to check. Sorry.

These plans are so outrageously unworkable, so totally unsuitable and so ludicrously ill-formed that they are almost certain to be rejected (unless Pendle planners have a temporary insanity attack during the decision meeting).

This is exactly what the developers are hoping for (In My Humble Opinion).

So, when they submit a watered-down version a few months down the line, they can say they have listened to the people and want to 'work with the local community' blah blah blah...

Everyone will say 'well at least these proposals aren't as bad as the first lot' and slowly, slowly the development company will get their way.

It seems the government has decided that Pendle (for Pendle, read Nelson) has already had loads of houses built/improved and so they won't allow any more. The pen pushers don't realise that this area isn't one big sprawl like the South East and that Barlick is a separate entity with nothing in common with Nelson.

So proposing affordable housing instead is a non-starter. 

Carlson need the brass to build new premises and they are unlikely to be so altruistic as to put Barlick's needs before their own - they're a business and need to make the most profits.

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Stanley
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Posted - 11/02/2008 : 05:18
You're right H.  Getting planning permission is a well-honed craft these days....  Then there is always the appeal process which almost always gives permission.  Remember the plans for the mast opposite the library?  That hasn't gone away, the permission exists.


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