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Callunna
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Posted -  12/07/2011  :  09:11
Tesco are considering opening a store in Barnoldswick.

They claim it will create 175 jobs and keep shoppers in the town, as well as saving local firm L&P Springs.

There are 2 exhibitions taking place this Friday and Saturday for people to gain more information.

Views, anyone? 


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Callunna
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Posted - 18/07/2011 : 20:16
Oh all right then!

(I put a smiley on my post as well, by the way) 

Here's another: Cheers

Are we friends? 


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tripps
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Posted - 18/07/2011 : 22:44
Yes  - of course we are. You know I'm your number one fan in S. Cambs.  


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thomo
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Posted - 18/07/2011 : 23:22
I thought this was a discussion about a proposed store, not another verbal battleground, nor was there any need to pour scorn on those who no longer have access to this site.


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Callunna
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Posted - 19/07/2011 : 13:17
Sigh...

Note to self: Stick to playing the arcade games on OGFB and don't get drawn into topic discussions.

Edited by - Callunna on 19/07/2011 1:20:42 PM


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debidoodah
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Posted - 20/07/2011 : 11:45
I do appreciate the two main "benefits" that people are seeing in support of building a tesco store in barnoldswick, the sustaining of an existing firm and the development of a currently disused, unsightly area.  However, i think we are VERY lucky in Barnoldswick to have such a vibrant centre with numerous independent traders, the building of a tesco would completely ruin this.

 The promise of new jobs is hollow - they promised 350 jobs in SKipton and there are no where near that number, in fact they are making people redundant all the time.

 We should be proud of our town, not give in to the big boys.  no one here is more than 4 miles to a major supermarket already - with a choice between sainsburys, tesco, morrisons and asda.  3 of whom do home delivery.  we are blessed with very good transport links.

 I HONESTLY think the negative to this development far out weigh the positibe and i for one would actively campaign, and support others in campaigning against it.

 

 


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Tardis
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Posted - 20/07/2011 : 14:02
Let us know when you set up the table in the town square

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i for one would actively campaign, and support others in campaigning against it.

 

 




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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 20/07/2011 : 14:16
Home delivery is fine, if you dont mind someone else selecting your fresh produce, and there are a good many older people for whom a trip to even the nearest store is not always an easy option. The centre of Skipton was packed this morning with shoppers, and yesterday at Settle it was much the same, no sign of depreciation there and Booths is only five minutes walk from the centre.


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Callunna
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Posted - 20/07/2011 : 15:23

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... there are a good many older people for whom a trip to even the nearest store is not always an easy option. The centre of Skipton was packed this morning with shoppers, and yesterday at Settle it was much the same, no sign of depreciation there and Booths is only five minutes walk from the centre.
Was chatting today with friends who live in a small town in Cheshire that used to have a vibrant town centre a decade ago. A supermarket moved close by. Now there are loads of empty shops and basically my friends feel the heart of their community has gone. 

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might not happen in Barlick - but is it worth the risk? Once the shops are gone, they're gone.

Settle and Skipton have more tourist appeal than Barlick - let's be honest. Barlick is not on the route to anywhere, literally, and doesn't benefit from passing trade.

If someone is so infirm that they can't get into a car to drive 4 miles to Colne, then they're not going to be able to drive to the Barlick store's car park either - still less be able to carry the bags home on foot, so whether there's a store half a mile or 4 miles away makes no difference.

One of the main reasons for studying history is to learn from past mistakes. 

Time after time after time you see places which have been altered by superstores - it probably won't be any different in Barlick. Whether you consider the alteration a good or a bad thing is another matter.

Note to Self: I thought you did a Note to Self  declaring you weren't going to get involved in discussions any more? 


Edited by - Callunna on 20/07/2011 3:24:34 PM


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Phil
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Posted - 20/07/2011 : 17:24
Skipton may well be packed but how many are shoppers? Were you to talk to residents of Skipton about the range of shops in the town centre they will tell you that the only shops in the town are second hand shops and cafes. I you were to look for a greengrocers you will not find one, all there is is the stall on the market. Independant traders are in decline, David Goldie's clothes shop is closing as he is retiring and he cannot sell the business.

Settle has also had problems with the closure of shops in the centre, not too long ago Booths put in an application to increase the range of goods that they could sell which caused the same response from the residents that we are seeing now in barlick with the Tesco application. I think that the application from Booths was knocked back due to the concerns.


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pluggy
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Posted - 20/07/2011 : 17:50
With only about 5% of the population of Barlick attending the exhibition it strikes me it isn't a priority in most peoples lives.  Most of those attending were in favour from the conversations with the reps I overheard.


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Callunna
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Posted - 20/07/2011 : 19:28
Yes, you might even have seen me smiling and nodding my head. Don't draw any conclusions from appearances, though. I'm just a nice, polite person, that's all.

And even though I'm interested in the subject I nearly didn't make it to the exhibition owing to other commitments.

Can't rely on statistics to prove anything.

Facts, historical evidence and common sense are usually more reliable.


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Stanley
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Posted - 21/07/2011 : 05:22
"Can't rely on statistics to prove anything. Facts, historical evidence and common sense are usually more reliable."

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Posted - 21/07/2011 : 07:14
It seems that the popular and very good greengrocers that recently opened in Barrowford belongs to your  Mr Chaudry. With the prices that Booths charge he won't have any competition there. Nolic


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Bruff
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Posted - 21/07/2011 : 09:44
For various reasons, I've been popping back to Barlick more frequently these last 3 months or so.  I had the misfortune to suggest one day to the wife we have a look round Skipton.  Market day.  I was really disappointed and actually quite shocked to see the decline in the town.  The market wasn't just a shadow of it's former self, it was an insult.  A street of tat essentially.  And yes, the actual shops included very few decent/quirky independents.  But the tourists flock in and so the pubs and restaurants do OK, but would I want to live there?  Not now.

 
Barlick by contrast has in my opinion come on in leaps and bounds.  Anywhere that has a lollypop shop, next to a florists across from a lighting/interiors shop round the corner from a homebrew centre across from an artists' shop is more than decent.  And the Square is a real asset.  Many of these shops will not be affected by Tesco.

 
But, the butchers,bakers and veg folk will face competition from a Tesco, no doubt.  Yet if you go to Tesco, you'll get spinach in a bag; at Choudrey's it's fresh in a bunch (I think Choudrey's is good).  At Tesco, you'll have whatever meat is in the cellophane wrapper; at the butchers (I hope), they'll cut you what you want if they have it; at Tesco, you'll get essentially 'Chorleywood' bread; at Liddel's you'll get craft bread made from a natural leven.

 
Oh and of course, if you go to a butchers etc, you can practice the art of conversation and get to know others in the queue and an artisan.  How quaint, these days.

 
With hard graft, good service, responsiveness to customers and imagination butchers etc can survive and thrive as the arrival of a Tesco is an enormous opportunity.

 
Am I being too optimistic?  Perhaps.  But where we are now, Hoylake/West Kirby on Wirral, has a population not much more than Barlick.  And there's a whopping Morrisons, a Sainsbury's Local or whatever, and a Co-Op.  And I know Waitrose are holding land.  But there are also four thriving butchers, 2 veg shops which do well (one thanks to Mary Queens of Shops involvement 18months back - if you watched Mary Portas' last series you'd have seen it....and me; I'm the bloke Mary hugged on my doorstep!).  Plus two fishmongers, three bakers and a really, really good vegan/vegetarian/health food/organic type place which goes from strength to strength.  Other shops are a good mix of quirky independants, and then the usual 'high street' detritus which actually serves a purpose.  But it's hard graft, you can't rest on your laurels - both as consumer and provider. 

 
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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 21/07/2011 : 13:05
Not too optimistic at all, at the end of the day shopping at Tesco will not be compulsory. If its conversation you want, then the Co-op is quite good as even a small rush may generate a fair sized queue, and if you are into road rage, try the car park there, even with the arrival of new and clear road markings many still try to take the shortest route, having a spiders eye arrangement is an asset in there. There is a numerical similarity as you say, but then subtract, 1 Butcher, 1 Veg shop, all of the fishmongers, and I think 2 Bakers, and there's the difference. I have heard it said that Barlickers are highly resistant to change, and yet the town is changing, and almost on a weekly basis.


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