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Stanley
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Posted -  30/06/2004  :  05:23
BRACEWELL. WILLIAM
Headstone in Gill churchyard. William Bracewell of Whittycroft [Barrowford] died November 5 1827 aged 44 years also Mary his wife died May 31 1873 aged 81 years also Mary their infant daughter who died January 23 1815 aged 6 days also Grace their daughter who died August 7 1825 aged 9 years also Christopher their son who died July 26th 1868 aged 43 also Sarah their daughter who died December 20 1893 aged 71 years.

This is William, son of William of Coates. I tripped over his gravestone the other day at Gill. One more snippet for the index! Their is info here that isn't in the file.


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moh
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 11:51
I have a contact in the States who is researching the Kings of Foulridge - wonder if they are conected to the Barlick Kings?


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portia
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 15:13
I haven't come across a Foulridge connection yet Moh, but who knows? I'm back to mid-1700s at the moment and they're all Barlick/ Salterforth


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Stanley
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 16:50
Quite an unusual name so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a connection.


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moh
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Posted - 08/04/2009 : 11:14
I told him before to come on the site and look at the details but he was very busy at the time.  Hopefully when his work quietens down he will join.


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Stanley
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Posted - 22/04/2009 : 07:24
I had a walk down the canal bank and had a look at the new marina that Kings have put in and it is very impressive. Should be an asset to the town. Of course the usual suspects are complaining and nit-picking. They would do better to look on the bright side, it can do nothing but good.


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JonnyBoy
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Posted - 11/09/2011 : 13:35


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George wrote:
I've just uploaded some photos and a cutting relating to 'Grandma' Elizabeth Bracewell. Having now got my head round some of the old photos and notes passed down I'm sure she was a Hartley. I have a note on the back of a photo listing her brothers and sisters as Luke Hartley, Abner ( Abraham presumably) Hartley, Alice Hartley and Nellie Hartley, apparantly all of Long Preston and all didn't marry.
Her eldest son, Canon William Bracewell married Hannah Forrest, apparantly sister of Sir William Forrest. That must be where the name Forrest came from. Also their 3 children were all given the middle name of Forrest just to confuse even more.
Horton Hall as I understand it, was the home of Ellen Metcalfe, who married Billycock Bracewell , Elizabeth Bracewells mother in law. But why would members of her Hartley family be in Horton Hall at the time of the 1861 census. She would have been 17 and presumably at home wherever that was?
I would like to send for that marriage certificate, How do I do that?
Based on the information on the back of the photograph, I think Elizabeth's father must be Abner senior born in 1819. He is the son of Luke Hartley from Bracewell (born Thornton 1797 and died 1869) and Elizabeth Hartley (b. Wigan, 1801). The 1841 census lists Luke and Betty plus children Abner (aged 20), Alice, Luke Jnr, John, Joseph, William, Nancy, James, Sarah and a one-year old Elizabeth. With a sibling named Abner, I was sure the infant Elizabeth was the Elizabeth Hartley you referred to but Abner (b.1919) and Jane Hartley also had a daughter named Elizabeth Hartley. Unfortunately, there is no record of the infant (auntie) Elizabeth from the 1841 census in 1851. I think someone else has already posted the 1871 census data for Abner (b.1919) and Jane Hartley confirming that their sons and daughters were Elizabeth (presumed to be spouse of Wm M Bracewell), Luke, Alice, Abner Jnr and Mary E. The connection to Stock in Yorkshire comes from Abner's (b.1919) brother John Hartley (b.1827). His wife was Ann (b.1837). The 1871 census shows that they lived in Stock in the civil parish of Bracewell. Their children included Jane Ann who is my mother's paternal grandmother, hence the research. This 'line' moved to the Waterloo area of Liverpool (postcode L22) at some time between the census of 1881 and that of 1891.  I am sufficiently convinced of the accuracy of the above to update my tree and fill in the blanks from the clues left in other posts. Regards!
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JonnyBoy
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Posted - 11/09/2011 : 20:27


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Stanley wrote:
I got mail this morning containing new information about the Bracewells.  If you can help or have anything to add, please post it here.  George would be grateful for any help you can give. Hello Stanley, and Happy New Year, You may remember I telephoned you a few months back; I’d been poking around Bracewell and Barnoldswick as a first stab at looking into my ancestry and the Bracewells. You kindly sent me links to enough information to keep me going till next Christmas including the Bracewell PAF file which I managed to open up. The potted history you’d written was absolutely fascinating so thank you very much for all that.  I don’t really know what I’m doing yet, I need a help book I think, but I thought I’d start with me and the stuff I know and work back to link up with yours. My mother was Elizabeth Smith 1911, only child of Ellen Bracewell 1878 and William Edward Smith. My great grandfather then was William Metcalf Bracewell 1838 who I think you have marrying Elizabeth Forrest but our family scribblings have her (my mum referred to her as grandma and we have some photos) as Elizabeth Hartley. I have an old newspaper clipping of the funeral of ‘Mrs William Bracewell, widow of the late Mr William Bracewell junior, which took place at Blackburn ….at the age of 71…..Mrs Bracewell was born at Horton-in-Craven being sister to Mr Luke Hartley and Mr Abraham Hartley…..she is survived by 2 daughters and one son (Rev Wm Bracewell…..the internment took place…in the family vault at Bracewell Church.’ As a child I met Canon William Bracewell but I must have only been 4 or 5 at the time. I think he married Hannah Forrest (is that where the Forrest confusion lies?) and had 3 children, Hannah Bracewell who married Dick Kinnear,  Mary Forrest Bracewell who married Sir Ambrose Dundas (I still exchange Christmas cards with Anstice Dundas but never met) and William Bracewell, known as Billy. So I think the Bracewell line went another generation but Billy Bracewell had two daughters I believe, Elizabeth who married Dicky Bird and Catherine who married Dolph Zuubier, who I did meet at mums funeral, lives in Doncaster still and we exchange Christmas cards. I have old postcards passed down via my mum of Bracewell road and church, Bracewell Vicarage, Horton Hall, Post Office Bracewell (which we couldn’t find), Newfield Edge, Long Preston Vicarage (now Eldon Country Hotel) Long Preston Church (inside and out), Hoyle Hill Long Preston. I think Mum had holidays in long Preston as a child but I don’t know why. If you would like copies of these old photos let me know and I’ll send them. If I ever get round to scanning them I’ll email them. Co-incidentally, chatting to my next door neighbour over Christmas drinks, he was telling about his family history research and it turns out his mother was an Ayrton who he had traced back to John Ayrton born 1759 in Bracewell married Grace Twizell and I think you have his brother William Ayrton 1751 marrying Mary as an ancestor of mine. Small world eh! Sorry if all this is of little interest to you but I am interested know about the Forrest / Hartley thing, just a mistake or is there a mystery here?  Best Wishes

George Horsfield


[I think it's wonderful how the Bracewell research rumbles on.  If you punch Bracewell into the forum search it throws up more references than you can poke a stick at.  Please have another crack at it and let's see how far we can push this one.  It's an integral part of Barlick's history.]

 

 

My research for my tree suggests that Elizabeth Hartley (b.1845 & spouse of Wm M Bracewell) had an Aunt Alice Hartley (Abner snr's sister) who was born in 1822. She appears to have also married an Ayrton - Thomas Ayrton (1825-1894). Nancy Ayrton (b.1857, d.1934) appears on the 1861 census as resident with grandfather Luke Hartley (1797-1869) and grandmother Elizabeth Hartley (my great, great, great grandparents) at Hopwood Arms Farm, Bracewell, aged 4. Nancy Ayrton pops up on the 1891 census at Pot Hall Farm, aged 34 as the daughter of Thomas and Alice Ayrton. Mother Alice (now 78) and Nancy and siblings are also listed on the census at Coniston Cold in 1901. A nice touch is the visit of brother Joseph (aged 68) to his sister Alice and niece Nancy on the night of the survey. Joseph Hartley appears on his father's and mother's (Luke and Elizabeth's) census form from 1861 at Hopwood, aged 29, along with young Nancy Ayrton, aged 4. Small world indeed. 

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Stanley
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Posted - 12/09/2011 : 06:09
John. Nice to see that this subject is still being pursued. I like Elizabeth, a formidable woman and she certainly got the upper hand over Billycock. Her actions triggered the expansion of Barlick from 1885 omwards. See the latest stuff on the Calf Hall Shed Company on the site. The thing that has always fascinated me is who her advisers were. I suspect they Inclded Billycock's trustees, Smith Smit and Threlfall from Colne and it is also possible that George Robinson of the Craven Bank and George Proctor had a hand in it as well. The story would make a great film! Always reminds me of the 'Crowthers of Bankdam'.


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Stanley
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Posted - 21/12/2011 : 05:51
I've had mail. Eileen has a question and I can't help. She is trying to register but having a problem so I've asked her to mail Doc. Manwhile, here's what she wrote:

" Hello. Don't know if you can help me but after exhausting my present
sources of research was wondering if you have a record of a Joseph Bracewell who died in Earby 13.12.1825 aged 79. He was actually buried at St Bartholomew's Chapel Colne but I have been unable to establish a baptism or the name of his parents. His first son he called John?
Hope you can help. Eileen."

Can anyone help her?


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moh
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Posted - 21/12/2011 : 11:04
I have checked St. Bartholomew's CHURCH (not chapel) records and cannot find a Joseph Bracewell baptised around 1746, nor a  later marriage for one, but he was buried there on 13th Dec. 1825 aged 79.  Abode Earby, buried by J Henderson.  Reg. Burials 1825-1835. Page 24, Entry 190..

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Stanley
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Posted - 22/12/2011 : 05:02
Eileen should pick that up Moh. Eileen, have you mailed Doc? He can sort a registration out for you.


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wendyf
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Posted - 22/12/2011 : 08:51
I can't find a baptism or marriage for Joseph in the Thornton in Craven records.


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Stanley
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Posted - 23/12/2011 : 05:42
Eileen mailed me and asked me to thank you. She has abandoned the Thornton connection!


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wendyf
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Posted - 23/12/2011 : 09:05
On the Lancashire OnLine Parish Clerks website there is a marriage for Joseph Bracewell and Susan Hartley in 1776 at St Barts.
There is a baptism of their son John at St Barts in 1778. The abode is White Field.


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Stanley
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Posted - 23/12/2011 : 09:42
Hello Stanley

Thanks for your help and I have emailed Doc to register. Sorry to keep
pestering you but I keep hitting brickwalls and not knowing the area
isn't helping.

I am working on my partner's family history and Richard Higgin born
24.02.1780 to John Higgin and Jennet of Hollingtop are his parents. I
have been trying to locate John Higgin's baptism again 1746 same as
Joseph Bracewell. Richard Higgin married Jenny Bracewell.

Dave my partner's mother was a Higgin making John Higgin of Holling
Top and Joseph Bracewell her great great great grandfathers. When John
Higgin married Jennet Crowshey (spelling varies) a Henry Higgin was a
witness presumably his brother. I have found a baptism of Henry
09.03.1743/4 on Lancashire OPC son of John of Holling Top but no John.

On google search a christening came up on the 09.10.1746 no name son
of John Higgin Holling Top at Newchurch in Pendle but can't find it
anywhere on the Lan OPC site?

Any help in solving the mysteries of the Higgin/Bracewell dynasties
would be appreciated.

Thanks again for posting for me


Eileen



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