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Posted -  23/01/2008  :  11:11
Cooking lessons to be made compulsory in schools

Compulsory cooking lessons for teenagers at schools in England are on the menu today as the government seeks to counter childhood obesity. But headteachers have complained that ministers are once again trying to cram more ingredients into the curriculum pot, and warned that the equipment and trained staff were no longer available.


Ed Balls, the schools secretary, is asking the public to come up with ideas for the classic English dishes and international cuisine that children should learn to cook.

From this September, every 11 to 14-year-old in the 85% of schools currently offering food technology classes will be taught practical cookery.


The remaining 15% of secondaries will be expected to teach the compulsory classes by 2011.


The emphasis will be on making sure pupils can master simple, healthy recipes using fresh ingredients, the Department for Children, Schools and Families said.


John Dunford, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, said: "Just six months ago, ministers promised heads greater flexibility in the curriculum for 11 to 14-year-olds. More decisions about what to teach would be made at school level, they said.

"Now they have fallen at the first fence, creating another entitlement and more compulsion for this age group. As many of us said at the time, the government should never have downgraded practical cookery 20 years ago, substituting - for example - 'design a picnic' for the skills of making picnic food."


Dunford added: "In the intervening years, schools have been built or refurbished without practical cookery rooms. It will be impossible for about 15% schools to put practical cookery on the timetable until they have the proper facilities. There is also a shortage of cookery teachers, who will take time to recruit."


Balls wants members of the public to suggest healthy, easy to prepare dishes that teenagers will want to eat.


He told the Daily Mirror: "Teaching kids to cook healthy meals is an important way schools can help produce healthy adults. My mum was passionate about all this and bought me my first Delia Smith book."


Pupils will learn to cook a variety of dishes, including a "top 8", officials said.


The Professional Association of Teachers (PAT) welcomed the principle of introducing cookery lessons for 11 to 14-year-olds, but expressed concerns about the impact on the curriculum, the funding required and the training needed for staff.


PAT general secretary, Philip Parkin, said: "Children should be taught how to cook and about the importance of a balanced and nutritious diet. These are key life skills.


"However, the government needs to plan and fund this very carefully to make sure that the scheme is a recipe for success and not a half-baked idea that ends up being binned.

Parkin added: "There are practical concerns about what will happen if children fail to bring in the necessary ingredients. It might be more sensible for schools to purchase the ingredients more cheaply in bulk and charge the costs for each child to parents, with the government meeting the costs of those on low incomes, rather than having an unwieldy system of parents buying small amounts to send in, with some being subsidised."

Cookery is currently compulsory in primary schools and the government began an overhaul of school dinners three years ago after TV chef Jamie Oliver campaigned against the poor quality ingredients being served in canteens.



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moh
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 11:20
Very rare my efforts in cookery classes reached home - eaten long before train reached Earby!!


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Sue
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 11:42
I agree I think it should be taught, linked to handling a tight budget and still eating healthily. I am sure it would benefit so many people 9 Mums included)  I remeber once when Lancashire daughter was staying with her  then boyfriend and now hubby. He was working for a year in Great Yarmouth as part of his degree and she used to go and stay most weekends. We got a phone call asking how a) to braise beef, b) to make dumplings. . Having given her the required information i asked if she wanted to know anything else. The reply was
'No Paul's Mum is telling us how to make rhubarb crumble!'

However I admired the two of them . They resisted the temptation to eat out all the time and became good cooks that summer.

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A.J. Richer
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 12:12
I have to ask here - is this not taught at home?

 My wife, bless her, never learned more than to boil water (and I blame her mother for that) but when young I learned to cook, clean and keep a house as my Mom said "I'm not going to saddle some poor girl with being your maid".

 My daughter started to learn from an early age (8-9 years old) the basics in a kitchen. As her mother worked late one night a week at the bank that was our evening for cookery - we'd pick a subject and go for it. Soups, stews, roasting, pies...we'd pick a technique and a recipe and go for it, with her driving and me as sous-chef guiding as necessary.

Every now and again I still get the "How do you..." phone calls, but rarely.  Now, i have to admit that a Cordon Bleu she's not (and neither am I) but she produces good meals for herself and boyfriend on a reasonable budget - and that's a solid win in my book.

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belle
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 13:15
I have to say having just got beyond the cooking side of school ( my daughter thankfully chose not to continue with that subject at GCSE) I was horrified to hear it may become compulsory, but relieved when I heard it is only up to age 14, so won't apply to us.
What it meant in practical terms for us was that as it came up as part of Design technology there was no clear pattern to when the cooking part would start...so I would get "Oh mum... we need the ingredients for a cornish pastie for tommorrow" at about 9 pm on a school night. Then there is the lack of school facilities, so it has to be weighed and mixed at this end, assembled as far as possible, then taken in for the final putting together..if that weren't annoying enough my daughter stunned me by informing me "Oh we don't cook it, Health and Safety, we're not allowed to use the oven, we just leave it with the teacher and collect it at the end of the day when it's cooked!" I do remember muttering late one night as I struggled with whatever culinary prep had been thrust upon me "if the school would pay me, you could bring your class here and I will show them how to do it"!
My own experience with cooking was that I had no interest or aptitude at all as a child. Being the only girl in a fairly large family, I really resented having to be the one that helped mum and did the washing up whilst everyone else went off to play. At school I performed terribly in my home ec. lessons and alienated most of my teachers whilst winning admiration from class mates...it was hard to know how some of my cooking could go  so spectacularly wrong! so I entered adult hood with almost no experience of feminine arts ( or at least as little as I could get away with! I knew how to make gravy and that the glasses should be washed first!) but what that meant was it was all a bit of an adventure to me, and so i slowly began to explore how i could feed myself and my new husband, and do other houswifely things. Thirty three years on I can cook most things, am famous for my soup, have no problem organising a dinner party for sixteen and catering for vegans etc. Have even had experience of cook ing for upwards of three hundred. When it came time to educate my two daughters, I decided to leave it for as long as i could, they were going to have a whole lifetime ahead of them of cooking and cleaning, why not let them enjoy a bit of childhood without laying that on them..so , as with my two sons, I teach them the basics when and if they want to know, and i ask them to help around the house only when I need help... am i raising kids that will be hopeless? Well the older two are in their thirties, both keep impeccable homes, are capable of cordon blue cookery, and have learnt (from me) how to do it economically...so it didn't turn out too bad in the end.
If the government is really concerned about healthy eating all they need to do is make healthy food much cheaper than unhealthy food, like they do in Switzerland I believe..it would save them all the money it's going to cost refurbishing home economics rooms in schools!


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Sue
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 17:39
My daughters did cookery at Middle school. We paid a nominal fee at the beginning of the school year, and that covered all the necesaary ingredients. They both joined an after school cookery club. Both are now good cooks with hearty healthy appetites

Sue

PS I didn't do cookery at school, I did Latin instead, because I wanted to be a Doctor


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Anni
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 19:12
Rock cakes - that is what I remember from cookery classes at school in the 60's.  Don't think I learnt much though, although when living abroad, used to fashion "nastie pastie's" 'cos you couldn't get them.  I think my baptism of fire came with my German partner who refused to eat anything which wasn't fresh - not even a tin of soup Laughing

 


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Cathy
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Posted - 24/01/2008 : 08:24
Cooking as part of the cirriculum?  Ofcourse ... we all have to eat for the rest of our lives, so I think it's just common sense that our young ones be taught.  Even if it is just basic, simple meals - it means that they will survive.  I did the full Home Ec. in high school - cooking, sewing, budgeting, cleaning, baby-care etc.  I didn't use it for years, but some bits come back to you, and you go on from there.  Nothing beats being taught at home ofcourse. 

Alan ... I think your Mum is a great forward thinker.  Good on her. 

Edited by - Cathy on 24/01/2008 08:29:25 AM


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Sue
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Posted - 24/01/2008 : 09:59
I agree with Alan. Bob too was taught to cook etc by his Mum. ,and I was taught by my Mum. WE share recipes and take it in turn to cook. We both clean and whilst I am sat here nursing my bad back Bob is busy doing just that. I am pleased to say both daughters have similar minded husbands

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Julie in Norfolk
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Posted - 24/01/2008 : 10:32
It seems to me that the content of the Home Economics lessons is what is required here. A good balance of all the stuff that you need to survive in the modern world or at least could do with.

The budgeting section would include eye-openers on  borrowing money, saving for pensions, budgeting (of course) and prioritisation for spending.

The cooking section would reasonably hold lessons in food safety and could lead to the basic food safety exam - a bonus for finding work in the food industry. Nutrition and the effects of malnutrition, obesity and the effects of obesity, analysis of food labelling, cooking using fresh cost effective ingredients, seasonal cooking.

Good grief, why not teach an amount of gardening. A little bit of grow your own.

Once upon a time it was cheaper to make a dress than to buy one, this is no longer true. Simple repairs such as button sewing and how to take up trousers (short *rse talking) and the like would do for this section.

Include in this lesson some wise words on baby care and how to delay having to care for a child, household cleaning and the good old personal hygiene and community living I think we may have covered the 5 high school years.

Well that seems to have got a lot off my chest!

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Posted - 24/01/2008 : 11:42
Mother was not a cook,so ,
 cooking classes at school were a godsend to me  later ,
Mum refused to pay for any ingredients, unless it was
a particular recipe that she liked, so most of my cooking efforts were
never seen by her,as when you didnt bring money for the
engredients . you were forced to go round the school pedling your wares , and hope thet one of the teachers would buy the days
dish off you .
I cant have been that bad a cook as the headmistress always
took what  ever i had to offer.

I remember my friends  toad in the hole, that arrived home  with half the toads missing.
And my amazing cerise pink christmas cake.



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A.J. Richer
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Posted - 24/01/2008 : 12:18
"Alan ... I think your Mum is a great forward thinker.  Good on her.  "

 Well, as Mom was a machinist starting from the forties on she was hardly what you'd call conventional. I was raised by Rosie the Riveter - got my first good micrometer from Mom, as a matter of fact.

Part of it was simple practicality on her part. From the time I was 12 or so I was effectively running the household - making dinner meals, doing maqintenance and caring for things as best I could. With one parent working out of town and effectively useless anyway and the other working days there simply was no one else.

She and I haven't spoken in many years (long story, and not good)  but there are some things that came out handy - and the ability to keep a house is one of the things I use every day.

 As far as passing the skills down to my daughter to be honest it was as much her idea as mine. I would never have forced it on her - if there'd not been the interest the lessons would not have gone on as long as they did or started as early. Much to my sadness, though she does do her own car repairs I was never able to lure her into the machine shop other than to pick up the barest rudiments.

Doreen, that must have been a rough situation. Congratulations for surviving it with your sanity intact.

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Stanley
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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 06:26
Cookery lessons in Barlick in the early days were done in the gas showroom that was part of the gasworks.  Some sort of cooperation between the gas companies and the school as a PR exercise.  The showroom is still there, the building alongside the lane going down to the Corn Mill, directly opposite the end of Wellhouse Road.

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Cathy
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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 08:37
Alan ... Hi, not quite the picture I had in mind (is it ever), you have certainly 'held it all together'. 


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A.J. Richer
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Posted - 25/01/2008 : 16:52

"not quite the picture I had in mind"

Sorry - didn't mean to put a downer on the conversation...It wasn't all that bad - I did eat well - and learn good skills. Think Dobby the house-elf...8)

Now, back to the main subject - teaching cookery (or home economics, a better term) may be all well and good - but WHOSE cookery?

Personally, i'm an unrepentant carnivore...not sure that my idea of cookery would go over well with the vegetarian or vegan types (though the ones who've come to my house for dinner never had a reason for complaint!).

Where does one go with a subject like this - too many places it seems to me...

Alan

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Doreen
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 01:23
i think that boys ,and girls learning to cook together is a very good thing .
 I remember the great diferences made between the sexes when i was a child ,not at all good, my brother never ever washed up or made his bed, he never ironed ecetera
, yet i had to cook clean iron make 15 beds ecetera ecetera,
at  the age of nine i  took over all mothers duties,including baby brother, and with 10 lodgers ,as Mum took to her bed with a depression for three months.
 I managed roast dinners for sundays,my brother then twelve did,nt lift a finger , in those days only gays did that sort of thing.
My daughter flatly refused to learn any cooking at home , so that i could never ask her to do it she said,
she now lives on pre cooked ,and rubbish foods.
so come on lets see them in the kitchen at school.


(these things still turn me into a grumpy old bag)
GRRRRRRR!


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