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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt
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Khaki in colour and sombre in content. "Cravens Part in the Great War", there will not have been many households in Barlick and what was then a much larger Craven Area, that did not have at least one copy of this book. In my immediate Family there would have been at least four and I still have two of them, albeit that one is with my son on Anglesey. Over the years I have seen them at jumble sales, in second hand shops and in piles of rubbish for disposal, even left behind when a house has been vacated. They will have turned up all over the place, I have come across them in Wales, the Isle of Wight and Hampshire, the two that I have belonged to my Father and Maternal Grandfather.
Many years ago I went through one of them from cover to cover noting those from Barlick who had given their lives in the service of King and Country, my notes are long gone so I am going to do it again, a few pages at a time, but this time I will include other local places within an approximate seven mile radius, Gisburn, Foulridge, Earby and so on. I will post my findings on here with the name, address and a precis of other details, as some are quite extensive, each name is to have the page number for my reference so that if anyone wants further information, I can soon find it. In a good number of cases there is a photograph, these I will copy and post in groups of ten at suitable intervals. In the book there are 391 pages so I will use a few abreviations hopefully all self explanatory, ie, KIA:- Killed in Action. MPD:- Missing presumed Dead. DOW:- Died as a result of Wounds, and one that is all too frequent, DFD:- Died from Disease or Illness.
One Man was responsible for the existance of these books and that was Mr, Walter Morrison Esq, JP of Malham Tarn who put forward the idea of the book and defrayed the entire cost.
There is quite a bit about the war itself up to page 50, including the Rohilla Tradgedy, then comes the dreadful list of those who did not come home, and so it is that on page 57 we find the first of Barlicks Sons, and is as follows:-
2nd Lieut Harry Thornton Pickles, 3rd Bn Duke of Wellington's (West Riding) Regiment (SR) second son of Mr Stephen Pickles JP, CC, Of Raysgill Barnoldswick KIA 26th April 1916 aged 26. P57.
In these first ten pages the extent of family loss is made very clear for it was in the Village of Carleton nr Skipton that this comes up:-
P53, Lieut. Anthony E.K. Slingsby, 1/6th Duke of Wellington's (WR) Regiment, Son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby Carla Beck Carleton. KIA France 14th July 1915. Aged 26.
P57, Captain Arthur Morris Slingsby, MC 56th Punjabi Rifles, 2nd son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby KIA 8th March 1916 in Mesopotamia. Aged 30.
P58. Lieut. Stephen Slingsby of HMS Defence, 4th son of Mr and Mrs J A Slingsby. KIA in North Sea June 1916. Aged 24.
This out of a total of five sons all serving.
Lothersdale is the next local Village with on P62. Lieut Alec Wilson, 1st Herefordshire Regiment, Son of Mr and Mrs F J Wilson JP of Lothersdale. KIA 26th March 1917 in Egypt.
P54, Lieut. The Hon, C. A. Lister Royal Marines, Hood Battalion, Only surviving son and heir of Lord Ribblesdale of Gisburne Park DOW 28th August 1915. Elder Brother killed in 1904 in Somaliland.
Greystones, Gisburn. Lieut. George Proctor, Lancs Fusiliers, only son of Mr and Mrs Thomas Proctor. KIA 7th April 1918 aged 24. P70.
Marton is on P73, Which Marton is not clear, 2nd Lieut, Joseph Bryan Bushby South Staffs Regiment, son of Mr and Mrs Joseph Bushby, Schoolhouse Farm Marton, DOW, 4th October 1918 aged 26.
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Edited by - thomo on 11/10/2011 4:05:43 PM
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Chris CPGW
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 11:20
Hi thomo,
Its greta to see you're making good use of www.cpgw.org.uk .
and that other forum members are taking an interest, It validates the reason why we set the site up in the first place.
In regards to Wilfred Anker's grave, I suspect (but can't comfirm ) that his headstone may have been removed ? I spent a couple of days at Gill two or three yrs ago and found nothing. Does the church still retain the burial register. it may be worth asking the Vicer or church warden .
If Wilfred is buried at Gill the plot will be recorded within its pages .
Keep up the good work
Best Wishes
Chris
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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 12:29
Hi Chris, and thank you again for the use of your material. I did ask the Vicar last week, not a lot of use, but he gave me the No, for the council who should have all records. If the stone has been removed it could be with many others elsewhere at Ghyll, we will be having a look on Sunday. Have you had a look at the "Rohilla" topic, the last post was from the Author of "Into the Maelstrom". Cheers and keep up the good work. Thomo.
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Chris CPGW
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 13:27
Thanks thomo,
I'd be very interested in what " Team Wilfred" come up with re the visit to Gill or from the council records
And thanks for the heads up on the Rohilla thread I shall take a look.
Best
Chris
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Travis
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 13:55
Without scrolloing back thru 6 pages...did we pick a time for the meet?
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thomo
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 14:28
I believe it is to be 1300 - 1330 at Ghyll, possibly the Merlin Suite at Rolls Welfare afterwards.
Edited by - thomo on 03/11/2011 2:31:26 PM
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 14:40
I have just sent a PM to Travis relating to this.
I know where Wilfred is interred. I have just come off the phone to a very nice gent at Pendle Council. He is associated with Parks and Recreation and is involved with safety issues in the cemetery. He was able to find the record for Wilfred's burial for me. Unfortunately it looks like he no longer has a headstone. He has supplied me with a grid map of the cemetery with Wilfreds grave marked it is in Section A - H47. The graves owner is Edith Anker who I assume was Wilfreds wife. She is not interred in the same plot.
In addition to this as the grave has no headstone he is going to go to the cemetery and mark the plot on the grass so it will be easier to find.
Unfortunately the database that he has access to is not available in the libraries or anything like that. I asked about charges for searches as I know that Pendle did used to levy a charge for searches such as this. He says that this is no longer the case.
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Chris CPGW
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 15:03
Ian thank you for the info, my suspicion as been confirmed.
As Wilfred died in a military hospital and before 1921 there is a case for him having a Commonwealth Wargrave's headstone, if a relative could be found and agreed to it .
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Travis
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 15:19
Ian, well done, excellent! We can at least pay our respects to the poor man. I wonder where his headstone went to?
Chris, that is something we could discuss, of course he should have a headstone....
Thomo, 1300 hrs it is then, Merlin bar later sounds good as well.
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 15:22
That's very interesting Chris. It's site member Travis who asked me to keep an eye out for Wilfred. I'm not sure if he is directly related to Wilfred or not. The gent at the council was unable to tell me if the grave had ever had a headstone, only the situation as it is now. The records they maintain are for H&S purposes. He told me that in addition to the burial records he had a photograph of every headstone in the cemetery which allows them to check for movement etc and I suppose to decide when a headstone becomes a danger and should be removed or laid down. It's a functional database and unfortunately as such the information is not available to access in the public domain such as the local libraries which is a shame really. The records must be very extensive as they do the same for all the council maintained cemeteries throughout the borough.
Anyway from my point of view it is a mystery now solved and another lad that I will mark each year with a remembrance cross at this time of the year.
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Chris CPGW
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 15:31
I'll do some research and see what the criteria is regarding CWGC headstones.
Chris
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 16:05
I have already mooted this to Travis in a PM. Can we use Sunday to do a general search for other potential recipients for remembrance?
I will bring my existing lists to check against and some crib sheets to record the information I need to find them in future. I am fairly sure they may well be more that are yet undiscovered. Three additional searchers would be very welcome.
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Callunna
Revolving Grey Blob
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 16:29
I was just about to ask whether a search is still needed, and I'm glad to see that it is.
Will be happy to help in any way I can.
Do we need to bring implements? Garden shears, knives, whatever? Or are we not allowed to disturb the vegetation? |
thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 16:39
"I just love it when a plan comes together" and hereby rename you all the "A Team". As I understand it, all of the masonry that has been removed from derelict graves is still on site and I have a feeling that they are all stacked along a wall somewhere. "If its there, we WILL find it".
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 17:00
A good pair of eyes and stout footwear is all that I usually take. Notes, pen paper etc.
For some of the stones Heather, we would need a lot more than a pair of shears anyway, particularly the ones that have had trees or shrubs planted on the graves. I generally work to a rule of minimal disturbance when I am searching and distributing.
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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 17:22
Aye, and I'll have two sets of Grandparents, one Uncle and several old workmates watching me, not to mention a lot of Old Barlickers I knew.
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BARLICK and CRAVENS part in the GREAT WAR
