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Rossie
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Posted -  11/01/2008  :  19:30
Because of the grim weather, I have been unable to experiment outside with my shiny new camera, so I have resorted to indoor efforts, using flash and focus................

Gill


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Tizer
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 12:19
Photoshop is well-known as a great package for handling graphics but for those who don't have the money and simply want to deal with photos have a look at the popular IrfanView - which is FREE.

http://www.irfanview.com/

It's very well featured but also very small and quick to open. I used it for years when I was on a windows computer.

And the download file is only about 1 MB!

Edited by - Tizer on 05/02/2008 12:21:16


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Stanley
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 15:02
She's lovely......  (and so is Laura!)  I had to rescue another of my daughters today, she was fighting Vista and trying to open something it didn't like, would you believe a Word Doc?  She's OK now thanks to her old fart of a dad.  Wonderful!  Really makes me feel useful.


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Rossie
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Posted - 05/02/2008 : 15:41
I use IrfanView for resizing and cropping photos.  It is simple to understand, and quick and efficient.  Ideal for dealing with photos prior to uploading onto OG.

Gill


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Rossie
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 11:33
I took this yesterday evening - its probably a bit gloomy but I was experimenting with settings and I rather like the colour in the sky.  Unfortunately not much feeback available from my husband as he is colour-blind and cannot see the subtle pinks and greys in the clouds so I thought I would post it here.

Gill

evening sky taken about 5.30pm on 7.2.08


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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 13:44
Findus, some very subtle pinks and greys in the clouds. Nice pic. Nolic


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Stanley
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 17:00
Nice pic Gill, you can't beat a bit of properly handled backlight.....


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Rossie
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 17:19
Thanks Boys,

Two more here - I am on a roll.  These are a bit less gloomy.

Gill 

primrosesmore primroses

Sorry - they were supposed to be one under the other

Edited by - Rossie on 08/02/2008 5:22:41 PM


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Tizer
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 18:28
Lovely pictures Gill. Have you tried using the black & white mode on your camera yet? Or if it doesn't have it, you take a photo that would be good in black & white then convert it to B&W on the computer. I got interested when on holiday. I read that you had to have a picture with a lot of contrast for B&W but it's very good for concentrating the eye whereas colour distracts the eye. I took this picture of a boat on the estuary at Devoran in Cornwall last year using the B&W mode.

Tizer

Boat at Devoran, Cornwall. Black & white mode on camera.


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Rossie
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 18:43
Yes I have black & white mode Tizer and having seen this super effort of yours I will try it.  Your picture just makes me want to be there - you can almost smell the sea.

Gill


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softsuvner
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 21:45
Although it feels a bit like cheating, I must admit that I have tried the Black and White mode on the computer.
I'm sure that Tizer is right, it is the shots with the best contrast that really respond to this treatment. Funnily enough, my favourite ones are usually shots that have also pleased me in colour.
Colour doesn't add something to a photo , as people often say, it just provides a different viewpoint. Black and white seems to emphasise textures in the picture, and can give a shot an emotional impact that is much harder to produce in colour.

Malcolm


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Stanley
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Posted - 09/02/2008 : 06:34
There are two sorts of pics, good ones and colour........  Don't argue!


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Big Kev
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Posted - 09/02/2008 : 07:51


quote:
softsuvner wrote:
Although it feels a bit like cheating, I must admit that I have tried the Black and White mode on the computer.
I'm sure that Tizer is right, it is the shots with the best contrast that really respond to this treatment. Funnily enough, my favourite ones are usually shots that have also pleased me in colour.
Colour doesn't add something to a photo , as people often say, it just provides a different viewpoint. Black and white seems to emphasise textures in the picture, and can give a shot an emotional impact that is much harder to produce in colour.

Malcolm

I don't think you should feel as though you are cheating, it's no different to manipulating an image in the darkroom (you just save a lot more paper).
Some pics work in clolour, others work as mono. This started out as a colour pic, I think it works much better as a mono image.......
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panbiker
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Posted - 09/02/2008 : 11:18
I am fascinated by some of the programs now appearing on the sattelite documentary channels. It started about 3 years ago with documentary footage taken during WWII in colour. Nothing really special about that apart from the fact that probably 95% of what was shown before was in black and white. You got used to seeing the bulk of photography and film in mono and accepted that this was the norm. The most striking one I saw had footage of the Waffen SS in colour. What struck me most about this film was that although the SS uniform was predominantly black and white and previously seen footage was black and white it was'nt until I saw natural colour footage of these troops in colour that the full impact of the display spectacle and the sinister and pervasive nature of these spectacles hit home. More and more colour documentary footage is coming to light. The latest stuff to surface shows documentary footage from World War One in colour. Its fascinating to see the sunshine on the western front. I do agree that some pictures have more impact and are more suited to black and white. Some of the best end most evocative war photography is mono. The photographers that took these shots had colour film available to them but chose to shoot in mono. The classic shot of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima does not look the same in colour but the impact of the colour footage of the little girl running and burning from the effects of a napalm attack in Vietnam really hits home.


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Posted - 09/02/2008 : 14:23
There has been a short series on BBC2 about the impact of WW1 on the French civilians. The films were originally commissioned by the French government. That to was in colour and brings a whole new understanding and greater reality to what you see. Nolic


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softsuvner
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Posted - 09/02/2008 : 14:42
Kev

I may feel I am cheating, but it doesn't stop me doing it!
Your picture is an excellent example of what Black and White can do best. Unless you are lucky with the sky, it is more difficult to put emotion into a colour picture (even in Photoshop) with a picture taken against the light, I think the fancy title is something like "contra jour".
Mind you an intentional against the light photo is easier to get right on a manual camera, a point and shoot will often stop too far down to record enough detail.

Stanley
I love it when people take a "here I stand......"  Luther type stance on something like colour versus black and white. Great for winding people up. It is all a matter of taste, but you are totally wrong of course!

Ian

I've been fascinated by some of the colour stuff coming out. As far as I know, the First War movie film is colourised, not original. There were valid colour processes for still photos, and some experiments, but the first real practical colour movie process was 2 print Technicolour in the 20's. All the commercial movie systems before then were stencil processes, not "natural".
For anyone who hasn't seen them, there are a series of TV films featuring colour stills from a marvellous French Collection, going back to the start of the 20th century. They have already done up to and including the First War, new series on the 20's in colour starts Monday night on BBC 2.

Here are a couple of my "guilty pleasures": colour photos returned to B & W, One using a colourslide shot and the other a digital. Both were taken on point and shoot cameras.

Colour photo converted to black and white



Colour photo converted to black and white 2

The second picture was taking using the digital point and shoot as a back up to the heavy metal film camera. When I saw the digital result, I decided that I had to buy a digital SLR!

Malcolm



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