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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
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Stanley Challenger Graham




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Another
Traycle Mine Overseer


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Posted - 05/07/2011 : 07:15
Thanks thomo.

Very mixed reports coming out about the soldier and how his death occurred. As Ian says he's dead and any investigation won't change that but might improve controls in the British camps if he did indeed walk out alone.

The new information coming out about NoW and phone tapping leaves a very dirty mark against the fourth estate. Nolic


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Stanley
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Posted - 05/07/2011 : 07:45
Call me old fashioned but is it really cheaper to get Siemens to build new trains than do the work here at Derby, albeit under a Canadian firm, Bombardier? Has a cost benefit exercise been done comparing the simple price advantage offered by Siemens and the cost to the UK in terms of supporting laid-off workers and losing manufacturing facilities and skills?  Rail infrastructure manufacturing has been sadly mismanaged over the last 15 years, we are seeing the consequences today. There is a lesson in here somewhere.

One theory about the soldier is that he went for a swim and was swept away by the current.  No doubt we shall hear more today. Whatever the reason it's still a useless death.


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Stanley
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 05:21
Allegations flow thick and fast in the NoW hacking case. Latest on World Service is that emails have been found implicating Coulson in paying police for information. Did Cameron have any suspicions? The one thing that seems certain at the moment is that th floodgates have opened following the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone. A lot of old scores are being settled, add this to the normal competition in the circulation wars and nobody can say how far this will go. Was Newscorp the only culprit? Whose hands are clean? An MP who was on the select committee that failed to subpoena Rebecca Brooks/Wade when the BSkyB takeover was being decided said that all the members were aware that 'there could be consequences' if NewsCorp was attacked. Did they have skeletons in their cupboards? Dangerous stuff.

What struck me was Mulcare's confession yesterday and the excuse he gave, constant pressure to perform. Could it be that in any large organisation, what I call management by attrition erodes boundaries, encourages short cuts and concentrates minds on short term financial gain rather than long term assets like ethical behaviour and simple customer care? Someone said yesterday that papers who used these hacking tactices were 'out of control'. It struck me that this could be said to be true of financial operations, large corporations and in many cases government itself.  The newspaper industry is dying and there is nothing more dangerous than a wounded beast.


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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 10:02
quote:
Stanley wrote:
Could it be that in any large organisation, what I call management by attrition erodes boundaries, encourages short cuts and concentrates minds on short term financial gain rather than long term assets like ethical behaviour and simple customer care?
Without a doubt, yes. Cynical exploitation of customers is now rife in large organisations in Britain and there is a culture of `anything goes' in the pursuit of company profit and personal image and personal gain. I spent time in two multinational companies and it was always tough, pressured, and profit was important and we were all ambitious - but the customer was king, whether he/she was an elder living on the state pension or the owner of another company to which you were the supplier. Corrupt, fraudulent, immoral and unethical practices were all completely out of bounds. How things have changed!



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Tardis
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 10:42
Policemen accepted money from the NoW, despite their contracts.

So will HMRC now get involved for tax evasion?

On top of which, it is the police who are currently investigating. Somewhat counter intuitive?

I think that anyone who believes this is only happening in the NoW has another agenda. There is a reason the Mirror employs "Toilets" Maguire.


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Stanley
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 05:38
My new computer glasses are a big improvement. Mind you, £86 for two lens in my own frame seems a tad excessive!

I think tax evasion is pretty low on the list. As more information comes out it looks as though Coulson perjured himself at least twice. Time now for a complete rethink on who conducts the current investigations. 


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Traycle Mine Overseer


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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 07:10
The latest about invading the privacy of dead soldiers familes just leave a sick feeling in my stomach. Serious prosecutions should be happening. Nolic


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frankwilk
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 09:21
Looking at census returns yesterday what caught my attention was 
1801 UK Population 9 Million
1851                         18
1901                         30
1951                         40
2001                         50

From these figures you can see why the corner shop has gone, and how we need processed food to feed the population growth. The alternative is that we all starve !!!




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Tardis
Regular Member


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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 10:42
Agree about the independant enquiry, but wide ranging across all media and police

If Coulson is guilty then we should leave it to the courts to prosecute.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 11:56
Lots of   may have,  possibly, it is alleged that etc. Media having a frenzy on a competitor, including the BBC
Leave it to the Police to sort out this mess but anyone who ever thought it wasn't going on throughout the press was living in cuckoo land. Expect to see the Mirror,and Mail next.



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Tardis
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 13:58


quote:
frankwilk wrote:
Lots of   may have,  possibly, it is alleged that etc. Media having a frenzy on a competitor, including the BBC
Leave it to the Police to sort out this mess but anyone who ever thought it wasn't going on throughout the press was living in cuckoo land. Expect to see the Mirror,and Mail next.




You have to wonder why the police sat on all this information during the initial prosecution? Makes you think that Boris didn't go far enough when he removed the head of the Met Sir Ian Blair.

It could do untold damage to the reputation of the police, along with the taking money


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 14:30
How about this Frank? A Royal Navy Sailor has been court marshalled at Portsmouth for refusing to do weapon training. The 24 year old Leading Sick Bay Attendant was sentenced to seven months RNDQs. Again we see that someone has not understood what being a member of the Armed Forces can entail. So what happened when he was faced with weapon training at Raleigh? What really got to me was his cap tally, "HM Submarines"!! To become a member of that elite, requires a dedication somewhat above the norm. He will be in for an extremely uncomfortable seven months given that RNDQs is still run by the Royal Marines, after which I imagine he will be discharged with the corner cut off his docs, try showing that at a job interview!!!


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Big Kev
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 16:57
Tesco in Barlick? Have a look at the Telegraph


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Bradders
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 17:14
News of the World will publish it's last edition this Sunday.....

Murdoch really wants BskyB doesn't he !


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frankwilk
Senior Member


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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 18:04
Thomo
 Subs are just a straight draft now, no need to voulnteer. I believe that you can still be an objector, but not after you had already served one tour !!!



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