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Tizer
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I've opened this thread to make a place for some pictures of motor vehicles - interesting or attractive or just simply curious. I've started it below with three pictures taken at a steam rally a few years ago. I've got a few more but please feel free to contribute pictures.
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djfbug
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Posted - 17/01/2008 : 10:10
Ringo that car belonged to a guy visiting next door to us when we lived on Wellhouse Square - He was dealing with an unfair dismissal case - One of those no win no fee guys - Must have been doing ok by the look of the car
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Stanley
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Posted - 18/01/2008 : 09:58
John Ingoe's Lafrance fire engine. About 1900 and a runner. The little grey dog is the Patterdale I gave John many years ago..... It's about 19 now, that's why it isn't black any more.
Stanley Challenger Graham
Barlick View
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Tizer
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Posted - 18/01/2008 : 10:13
The farmers around here are very cautious and like to carry a spare with them at all times!
Actually I snapped it passing through Aller in Somerset on return from being an exhibit at a steam fair. I didn't mean to include an advert for Matravers Eggs and Farm Shop but if you ever eat an egg down in Zouth Zummerset it's likely to be one of theirs.
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Posted - 18/01/2008 : 12:24
Here are some pictures of cars that I took at a race meeting of the Vintage and Sports Car Club at Silverstone in 1989. I think the first is an ERA, don't know the second, and the third a Bugatti. The quality of the pictures is not as good as I would like because they are re-photographed from 35mm slides. Seeing them race the old cars is magical!
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Posted - 18/01/2008 : 23:28
Tizer
You are right the first one is an E.R.A. The second is Riley of some sort, and the final one is a Bugatti, or more likely, a Bugatti replica, the registration number is from a Scots series used for "re-issues".
Pre-war sports cars were very expensive and not that many were made. Since they were usually based on a standard chassis and engine, many saloons have been converted with replica bodies, and for example, there are probably more Riley sports cars in existence than were actually produced!
I actually know a panel beater who has produced over 120 replica sports car bodies for just one pre-war make of car. With a high value machine like a Bugatti, it gets worse, I have heard of "restored" Bugattis being produced from just the remains of an engine and half a front axle!
Your other picture, a Fordson major towing a Ferguson TE20 makes me feel very old. Actually did some farm work with both of these when they were just old tractors, bot classics!
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Ringo
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Posted - 18/01/2008 : 23:37
DS 210 is an original Bugatti according the the DVLA and it has a nice 5001cc engine under the bonnet.
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Stanley
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Posted - 19/01/2008 : 06:49
Worse for me Malcolm, I drove the Ford Major when it was a relatively new machine in 1953. The early ones had a bit of a fault in the venturi operated throttle mechanism. They could go onto maximum fuel and were almost impossible to stop. Interesting experience if you were sat on top of an engine revving itself to destruction...... Never happened to me but it was a known fault cured later on.
Stanley Challenger Graham
Barlick View
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Posted - 19/01/2008 : 08:48
Ringo
Fair enough, what made me suspicious was that DS was the prefix for Peebleshire, and DS 1 was issued in 1903. In recent times, DVLA used them for "age related" numbers. Had a James on a DS plate myself that had never been near Scotland.
Ever seen a Bugatti engine? I always think they are rather understated, looks like a big alloy Lister D, but the sound ......!
Stanley
Glad I never experienced that. As a penance, after an unfortunate incident with a buck-rake tine and tractor tyre, I once had to use the Major for buck-raking a nearly complete sileage heap, until we could get the tyre sorted. After the live hydraulics, caged-wheels and power steering of the DB 880, pointing the hand-throttle Major (on big wheels) up a ramp of grass towards the stars was a bit of an experience!
Malcolm
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Tizer
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Posted - 19/01/2008 : 11:11
Malcolm. Thanks for saying the 2nd is a Riley. Now I remember and I wish I had a proper photo of the driver - I recall he was, shall we say, of a very mature age, a great character with a big beard!
I'm not surprised that the Bugatti is an original, because it was at a VSCC meeting. But do you really mean it had a 5-litre engine? It looks such a small car! Sounds like a favourable power to weight ratio.
The sticking throttle is nasty. I remember once being a passenger in a military police Land Rover driving down the side of the barrack block when the throttle jammed. We went round the corner on two wheels and down the end of the block, round the next corner, and managed to stop on the far side of the block. "It does that sometimes", was the driver's only comment.
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Posted - 20/01/2008 : 03:14
Well, Tizer. You’ve done it this time…posted a picture that has evoked my early memories of Barlick and district…again…
The Sentinel steam lorry is an absolute beauty. The shape of the cab is quite familiar to me and I recall seeing one operating regularly in late 50s or early 60s Barnoldswick or Nelson. I certainly didn’t realise that they were still being built in the 1930s. I also remember real steam rollers working on the roads. Grist to a young boy’s mill.
After looking at your picture I was prompted to rummage through my archives till I found what I was looking for, an old cardboard diploma, in faded salmon pink. Dad and I built a balsawood model of a lorry that I think was inspired by the shape of that Sentinel. We entered it in the Children’s Art and Handicrafts Section of the Nelson Agricultural Show, 1963…entry Number 21, Class 10. The diploma is for first prize, signed by judge John E. Pankes (as far as I can make out) on behalf of the Honorary Section Secretary D. Tinniswood. On the last line is written 7/6d. Strewth! I was rich at 8 years. But it’s been downhill ever since.
The traction engine is a divine machine for me. We are fortunate enough to have quite a few of them in running order here in Victoria and every now and again I encounter one on the road, usually sticking to the left-hand verge, taking its time to go somewhere…a steam rally or some gathering, driver stood high with denim cap and oily scarf. It is still possible to find the remains of the farm machinery designed to be operated by pulleys, belts, cables and chains, forgotten and overgrown in the corners of paddocks.
I remember watching traction and portable steam engines at the Nelson Agricultural Show, powering fairground machines I suppose. I recall a classic tug of war between two. But the most magical memory is of a steam driven music machine, that I think was some sort of calliope. It produced the most wonderful range of sounds, like a mechanical orchestra with organ, which resonated in all the body cavities and you could feel it through your feet. Several years ago I stumbled across a version of one of these machines (not steam, alas) at an air show. I was so transfixed by its music that I missed half of the aerial events. Couldn’t leave its presence until it was shut down. Marvellous things. Would anyone have a picture of one of these?
My cyber wandering prompted by this post informs me that Rolls Royce took over the Sentinel factory in 1956 for a foray into diesel engine manufacture.
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Stanley
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Posted - 20/01/2008 : 07:34
When I worked for John Ingoe we made a brand new boiler for a Sentinel. John had a big problem with the insurance company who wanted a welded joint in the barrel wrapper under the two strengthening fillets. one inside and one out. In the end he persuaded them that to use both methods would actually weaken the construction as it removed the rivetted joint's ability to breathe.
Malcolm, I know the silo problem! When I was at Harrod's Farm we solved the problem by using the David Brown crawler (paraffin/petrol engine), much safer and we left it on the arable silo stack overnight to sink in.
Stanley Challenger Graham
Barlick View
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Posted - 20/01/2008 : 09:16
Ribble Rouser, If you are ever in Thetford, Norfolk there is a Traction Engine museum in the original shed that they were manufactured at. Burrell Museum is not the largest ever, but certainly worth a look round.
"Admission charges
Admission free
Description
The Charles Burrell Museum opened in 1991 and is housed in the former Paint Shop on Minstergate in Thetford, Norfolk.
The museum tells the stories of the Charles Burrell Works, the people who laboured there, and the machinery they produced.
The past is captured through displays representing different areas of the Works, such as the foundry, and the display of our collection of Burrell engines and other agricultural equipment.
So, visit the Museum and step in to the world of Charles Burrell, world renowned Industrialist during the golden age of engineering and agriculture.
Collections description
The collections include a Charles Burrell and Sons Ltd steam roller and traction engine, parts of Burrell engines, factory machinery, and items linked to the Burrell Family."
Edited by - Julie in Norfolk on 20/01/2008 09:22:20 AM
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Ribble Rouser
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Posted - 20/01/2008 : 10:08
Well, Julie. Thanks for that. Sounds riveting. Perhaps when I have met current commitments I might find passage on a motor vessel (my days of flying are over) and visit the museum. That being the case, I would be hoping for an incontro and a discussion of all things Barlick.
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softsuvner
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Posted - 20/01/2008 : 10:44
I always had a soft spot for steam wagons, and Sentinels in particular. When I was a kid, I sometimes used to accompany Dad in a van or a lorry to London. At Cricklewood on the Edgware Road, there was a huge pub called the Crown which always had a derelict Sentinel outside, and some more stuffed into what had once been the beer garden. Found out years later that this was the collection of a chap called Edgar Shone who saved many of the surviving Sentinel wagons.
Tom Varley from Gisburn was the Northern king of the steam wagon, he brought several unique vehicles back from Australia. It may have been one of his that RR remembers. On the other hand, one of the last users of steam wagons was a firm called W & J Glossop from Halifax, they used wagons for road tar spraying into the 50's at least.
"Calliope" is not a word that we use over here! It was an American thing mostly played by keyboard, and originally fitted on the big River Steamers. British showman would never waste money on blowing steam up an organ pipe. Fairground organs over here used air blown from bellows. Most of the organs used were of French origin, although a British company, Victor Chiappa, renovated and maintained many of them and provided the music books(I believe they still exist).
I will have a look in the slide boxes, see what turns up!
Malcolm
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Tizer
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Posted - 20/01/2008 : 12:58
RR, Glad you liked the Sentinel. I have no more pictures of them but I've got other motor vehicles coming up soon - what fun, going through the old slide boxes just like you Malcolm!
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