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Stanley
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Posted -  14/11/2010  :  06:26
NEW VERSION TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MEMBERS WITH SLOW CONNECTIONS TO CONNECT.

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frankwilk
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Posted - 22/11/2010 : 09:17
But it does discriminate against other religions that is undeniable.

I worked in Lebannon and because of the diverse religions every other day was a a holiday. Now if they just looked at the extra pay for working the " Holiday" and then added it to the Annual Salary that would be fair to everyone.



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Posted - 22/11/2010 : 09:41
Frank I wholeheartedly agree with your liberal/socialist sentiments but it doesn't seem that this company is doing that. Just a somewhat twisted means of reducing their wage bill. 

They would not have tried this 2 or 3 years ago as no staff would turn up. They will get away with it now because of the carers fear of loosing jobs. Nolic 


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HerbSG
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Posted - 22/11/2010 : 10:29
The holiday pay issue should be a matter for the Government to resolve under labour standards.  In Canada there are a number of statutory holidays, some of which have to be observed on the actual date, others are on the Friday or Monday closest.  On each statutory holiday anyone who works gets time and a half for the day, everyone also gets paid for the day...either a full shift or 1/20th of the previous 20 days total hours in the case of part timers.  Stat holidays are: new years day, family day, good friday, queen's birthday, canada day, civic holiday, labour day, thanksgiving day, and christmas and boxing days.

In the Guiness case they are going to pay a premium to anyone working the 27/28.  Seems like a BS way to save money...and Stanley this could be precipitated by numbers from "accountants" (the messengers) but the idiot decision is made by so called management.  I wonder what the background is of the owners/managers at the company..prejudice be damned let's not see more traditions destroyed to be "politically correct".

Just put this in the same file along with: no xmas tree, no xmas music, no santa claus parade, no poppy vendors etc etc.


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catgate
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Posted - 22/11/2010 : 20:22
 Stanley

Catty I agree with Tiz that the insurance principle is a good one and protects the innocent. The basic principle is that there is a fund to pay all claims as this would not be the case if left to the miscreants, think of the litigation and heartache, delays in courts, lives ruined.

Yesterday, as I posted earlier, I totally lost my previous reply to this matter due to circumstances out of my control. So here is an abridged recollection of the salient points. 

It is we, the inocent, who are paying for the protection of the innocent, whilst the miscreant get off lightly and is free to persue his/her folly.

There is no reason why a fund or kitty can not be created  out of the miscreants payback as you suggest, and used as the regular way of dishing out the necessary recompense. It could be called  a "Road Crime Tax Fund".  It matters little what particular methodology is used, the primary thing is that the miscreant should pay the price of the result of his actions. deliberate or careless, on the road or anywhere else.

One thing for sure is that the waiting list, heart ache etc. you cite would disappear quickly as the offences disappeared. But I suppose the judiciary would not like that.

E&OE


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frankwilk
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Posted - 22/11/2010 : 22:03
" Frank I wholeheartedly agree with your liberal/socialist sentiments "

I am still getting over that comment LOL



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catgate
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Posted - 22/11/2010 : 22:59
Isn't there something a little odd about either A), being paid by an employer for having   a day or days off work, or B), the employer not paying enough in the first place to allow the employee to have days of rest?

 


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HerbSG
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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 04:13
Nothing odd at all.  Every union has/will negotiate for paid holidays, either statutory or annual "earned" leave.  Employers simply build this into the cost of labour, and of course pass the cost along to the consumer, who is probably shopping on a paid holiday.

cheers


HERB


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 06:00
Frank, I'm a fast reader and up early! My mate Ed in Washington hadn't seen the diary. Thanks to Bodge they do now!

Comrade, the multi-cultural society indeed. I can remember the bad old days when we got triple pay for working a bank holiday. We've never had it so bad?

Catty, not if you have a contract agreed between workers and management. In the bad days I referred to we had an independent wages council for the dairy workers and management and workers abided by their decision. Equitable result. Remember that these Wages Councils were only set up for what were regarded as the worst paid workers, those in essential industries. The striking feature these days as Nolic pointed out is that there is no balance of power. Management push the system to the limit to cut labour costs and this is seen as a natural effect of the 'market'. Chicago School economics which improve the bottom line but in the end are counter-productive because they drive down the pay of the poorest and this will, in the end, produce a reaction. The other massive effect to my mind is that it produces an ethos in which the workers feel powerless and under-valued. The human cost of this never appears on a balance sheet. I was always taught that a good bargaining process was one where both parties retain their dignity. A sadly under-valued concept today.


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Stanley
Local Historian & Old Fart


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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 07:12
Intersting report from Rowntree Foundation this morning on the cost of rural living. They reckon that to achieve the same standard of living the rural dweller needs 20% more income than the equivalent town dweller. Cost of transport and fuel accounts for a lot of it. Seebohm Rowntree's work carries on in the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. A wonderful national asset, totally independent and trustworthy. They have this knack of taking what seems like a 'bleeding obvious' and putting figures to it, sometimes with surprising results.


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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 08:26


quote:
frankwilk wrote:
" Frank I wholeheartedly agree with your liberal/socialist sentiments "

I am still getting over that comment LOL

I thought you would like that Frank. Nolic


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Stanley
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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 09:05
Interesting statistic popped up from the Bank of International Settlements. The average amount of trading in currency each day (not including stocks etc.) is $4trillion. Please, how much is that?


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Tizer
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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 09:49
"But it does discriminate against other religions that is undeniable."

This earlier comment by Frank came back to me, in a different context, this morning when the Today programme was discussing the important influence of the King James Bible on the English language. They said that this influence is not being taught in schools (students are told only that we owe it all to Shakespeare) because it might be seen to discriminate against other religions. Shades of China and Soviet Russia?
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"$4trillion. Please, how much is that?"

Almost a banker's bonus!

(By the way, a boss at the Gartmore investment bank is being offered £3 million extra to make him stay in his job even though he is widely seen as being responsible for the failure of the company.)
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And finally...

Naked man spotted in car boot on Google Street View

Edited by - Tizer on 23/11/2010 09:50:30


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catgate
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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 12:04
Herb ....Nothing odd at all.  Every union has/will negotiate for paid holidays, either statutory or annual "earned" leave.  Employers simply build this into the cost of labour, and of course pass the cost along to the consumer, who is probably shopping on a paid holiday.

 

Stanley... Catty, not if you have a contract agreed between workers and management. In the bad days I referred to we had an independent wages council for the dairy workers and management and workers abided by their decision. Equitable result.

So some of the money earned each week by the employee  is retained by the employer in his bank account to give back to his employee when the holiday time comes round?????

Why does the employer not give all the wage to the employee and let him bank it, and keep the interest which will undoubtedly accrue?

 Eqitable result??


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tripps
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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 12:42
 "Please, how much is that?"
Look here -    http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html
Note that Zimbawe, only last year , had a Z$100 Trillion note.  'Worth'  about £20.
Anyone for a touch of inflation?  Smile  .
(means  that the post should not be taken too seriously)


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Bruff
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Posted - 23/11/2010 : 13:11
On how much is a trillion pounds etc.

 
A million seconds is just under 12 days.  A billion seconds is about 32 years.  A trillion seconds is about 32,000 years.....

 
A trillion dollars is a lot of money.  Counting out each one, per second, would take 32,000 years.

 
Hopefully gives you an idea of the scale of 4 trillion dollars.

 
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