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Stanley
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Posted -  11/01/2009  :  06:04
New Year, new topic. If you want to see the old one do a forum search for same title but 2008.


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Bodger
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Posted - 15/07/2009 : 19:31
Frank, i agree, i have 4 pensions, Irish, English, and 2 company pensions, all of them i contributed to, a form of saving, but today i see child benefits,+ dole, plus housing allowance, and they are far better of financally than me as regards to guaranteed regular income, and they do'nt go to work, i will be married 46 years this year, and my wife never had to work, she had enough to do raising our family and looking after the home, i was sacked several times in my life, but was never out of work, , i recall being rightly sacked in 1966 from a works managers position on a Monday, by Wednesday i was working 12 hour night shifts making plastic gloves, but i was'nt out of work, 3 months later i was manager of another factory, at the age of 72 i still wokr doing odd jobs etc. and life is great


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Stanley
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Posted - 16/07/2009 : 07:13
I agree with both of you, my point is that in any reorganisation of the system we don't forget the unfortunates who have, through no fault of their own, missed out on the gravy train.


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frankwilk
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Posted - 16/07/2009 : 12:53
Looks like Peter Prentice has lost his Principles, and has been speaking with forked tounge !!! Looks like one minute he supports something,  and then drops it like a hot brick when the whips speak.
I believe he has every right to change his mind, but not when nothing has changed in the case he once supported.

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Stanley
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Posted - 16/07/2009 : 17:33
Gordon?


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frankwilk
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Posted - 16/07/2009 : 18:51
Stanley it's about the geek who hacked into the US computer systems, Peter supported the non extradition and then voted for it yesterday.



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Stanley
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Posted - 17/07/2009 : 05:55
Ah yes, I noticed that but my reaction was that there must be something I don't know about because I made up my mind long ago that GP was trustworthy. This doesn't mean of course that I always agree with what he does. Did you see that the CampbellSavors amendment was passed by the Lords? That's the one on non-dom donors.


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Stanley
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Posted - 18/07/2009 : 06:20
he government accepted the CS amendment on Monday. Ashcroft will have to make his mind up where he lives by January 2010.

I heard a banker on the news this morning saying that the banking crisis is over. So that's all right then. They live in a different world, time we dragged them back into the real one.


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Posted - 21/07/2009 : 06:23
So, Lord Sugar of Clapton is installed in the Lords. Heard Lord Haskins commenting negatively on the fact Sugar had been allowed in. Funny, I thought his peerage was a political appointment due to his position as CEO of Northern Foods....  Good way of devaluing the Lords, do you think that's the idea?


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frankwilk
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Posted - 21/07/2009 : 19:25
I think your right on with that Stanley.
Listened today to the ex minister. who got out of a Council Estate and climbed the greasy poll to become a Cabinet Minister. I wouldn't have thought that would have been an achievment I would be bragging about !!!!!



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Stanley
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Posted - 22/07/2009 : 06:44
It contrasts with a lady barrister I was listening to on Woman's Hour who was saying that advancement in the legal profession is just about impossible if you haven't had a private education and the 'right' connections. We still live in a society ruled by class.

 I noted that sycophantic idiot Foulks saying that Stirrup and Danert were aiding the Taliban by stating that we haven't got enough helicopters. Apart from the fact that they know better than him, what good did he think he was doing? Malloch Brown has come out of the closet and told it as he sees it saying that he doubts the policy and is sure that more helicopters are needed. I suppose Foulks will have to attack him now. Oh and by the way, he'd better have a go at Paddy Pantsdown as well because he says the same thing.

Stock markets celebrating a rise in prices but fail to say that if you look at the last two years they have dropped by a third. Selective euphoria?


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Tizer
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Posted - 26/07/2009 : 11:26
An interesting and thought-provoking discusson of `meritocracy'  on Radio 4 this morning. For someone like me, who has gone from nowt to a science degree and eventually a business of my own, meritocracy seems an attractive concept. But the man on the radio put the view that meritocrats are worse than aristocrats because they assume that everyone should get off their backside and do the same as them. In contrast, at least aristocrats accept that they themselves are privileged and that not everyone can be the same as them!


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Posted - 27/07/2009 : 06:30
I think I heard the same dicussion and thought that some of the participants were being a bit extreme. On balance I should think the proportion of insensitive gits who forget those who are disadvantaged is the same in every class of life. There have been many analyses of the social composition of the establishment and I think the evidence for nepotism and discrimination against the 'lower orders' is fairly well proven. David Moore and I used to spend a lot of time convincing each other that we were 'working class' but privately we both knew that because of the enterprise of our fathers we had a better start than many people. Let's put it this way, we were definitely part of the lower orders but hadn't had a disadvantaged childhood.

I'm struck at the moment by the way the credit crunch is being swept under the carpet. The bankers and financial markets have convinced themselves it is business as usual, Parliament has passed the reform bill but watered it down, a lot of the punitive sanctions have had the deep six, the PR industry is in overdrive boosting confidence.

Meanwhile, on the streets, the worst effects of the crisis are percolating downwards to the sections of the population least able to defend themselves. Unemployment is rising and the forecast is this will continue into next year, house repossessions are up. Organisations which help people in trouble report on average a 50%+ increase in enquiries, food and energy prices are higher. Local shops are closing. In other words the worst effects haven't been felt yet down here. It ain't over yet!


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Posted - 27/07/2009 : 10:34
...and Darling Alastair is tut-tutting at the banks for lending at interest rates much higher than the bank rate. Angela Knight of the Bankers' Association tells us black is white and shouts Boo! to Alastair who runs away to hide behind Godron's skirts (kilt?).


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frankwilk
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Posted - 27/07/2009 : 13:04
Tizer touched on this in another thread " Ponzi Scheme " How are we to pay for the Pensions of the future ?? The scheme we have currently will fail, because not enough people will be working to pay in to it.
I think this is what Cameron means when he says we have choices and priorities to make.
For Starters
The State Pension should be means tested, lets start with anyone who receives say £100 per week net, from a Private or Public Pension scheme having £10 per week deducted from the State Scheme. It could then be incremental say £5 deduction for the next  £30 and continue until you don't have a State Pension at all.
I don't think the Labour Party could even contemplate a radical re think like that.
Remember Frank Field he who should think the unthinkable, he soon got kicked into the long grass.
Lets face it folks we can't afford it as it stands now !!!!



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Stanley
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Posted - 28/07/2009 : 07:35
I listened to the interview with him yesterday and he avoided every question about the level of commercial and private loans. The restrictions imposed on the banks we baled out are obviously as much use as a chocolate teapot.

We are being governed by spivs who put on a show of strength but roll over when it comes to anything which might upset big money. Time for a new system!


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