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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


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Posted -  27/11/2011  :  16:30
There are two topics on here at present concerning the impact of war on Barnoldswick, specifically World War One. Like many of us I appreciate that anything related to War is unpleasant and possibly best avoided. The fact remains however that Wars have taken place and indeed still do, and for many of us, although any thing to do with the subject can be painful, there have been terrible losses due to conflict right here. During research on this subject there are a number of things that require some measure of further work if those who paid the final price for our today are not to be forgotten. It was muted a few weeks ago by a member that an updated version of an historic publication might be a good idea. The original book was produced during the First World War to commemorate the Men and Women of Craven who gave their lives to us and this country, and a copy was given to all of those who served and survived, and the the families of those who did not. The information contained in the original book was gathered at a difficult time and is in some cases inaccurate. Thanks to the tireless work of a group headed by Mr Chris Foster of CPGW, much of the information has been, and still is, being updated. It has been my privilege to be able to use this work to build a picture of the impact that the War had on Barnoldswick and its inhabitants, this effort being still ongoing. The original objective was to have a publication ready for the centenary of WW1, this we still hope to achieve. During research, something else became clear and I believe it has to be addressed. The Towns War Memorial has 285 Names relating to the Great War, and yet more Names are coming to light that some of us believe should be appended to the Memorial. What we need is a small number of those who care, to commit themselves in whatever way they can, to this end. A small Commitee of people who have the knowledge or skills that may ease the passage of what is hoped for. So if you wish to help, please put yourselves forward. There will in the future be information posted on here concerning other local areas, so wherever you live, if you think you can help, it will be highly appreciated.

Thank You.

Thomo.



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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 19:10


quote:
Chris CPGW wrote:
 Something like  The Barlick War Memorial Group or the BWMG for short..
That sounds appropriate. Nolic



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panbiker
Senior Member


2301 Posts
Posted - 06/12/2011 : 20:41
Sounds OK to me too


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klondyke49
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11 Posts
Posted - 07/12/2011 : 03:33
Fine with me


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


2021 Posts
Posted - 07/12/2011 : 09:55
Gentlemen, I believe we need look no further. and I agree fully with the previous comments. Chris, you are a star, again many thanks. "The Barlick War Memorial Group" it shall be, or, "BWMG" for short. There will be no alteration, or altercation over the spelling of Barlick, it stays as it is. I have spent the last couple of days backing up the information to date and committing it to discs. I have also given a great deal of thought to the press issue, I would like to get the ball rolling and then feed it over the coming Months, I will put together a starter today and then post it here for your perusal, it will then go no further until we are in majority agreement. A story of how this was born, where the information comes from, a quick look at the names found to date, who we are, and finish with what we hope to achieve. Again "Thank You All".


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thomo
Barlick Born Old Salt


2021 Posts
Posted - 07/12/2011 : 16:19
Chris has just mailed me something that he has designed in has capacity as an Artist, I I have posted it and it should appear shortly. Also I have almost finished a draft for the press to work from, that will be added here soon.


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panbiker
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2301 Posts
Posted - 07/12/2011 : 17:21
BWMG

Excellent Chris


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Callunna
Revolving Grey Blob


3044 Posts
Posted - 07/12/2011 : 18:38

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thomo wrote:
Gentlemen, I believe we need look no further. and I agree fully with the previous comments. Chris, you are a star, again many thanks. "The Barlick War Memorial Group" it shall be, or, "BWMG" for short. There will be no alteration, or altercation over the spelling of Barlick, it stays as it is. I have spent the last couple of days backing up the information to date and committing it to discs. I have also given a great deal of thought to the press issue, I would like to get the ball rolling and then feed it over the coming Months, I will put together a starter today and then post it here for your perusal, it will then go no further until we are in majority agreement. A story of how this was born, where the information comes from, a quick look at the names found to date, who we are, and finish with what we hope to achieve. Again "Thank You All".

Hi, 'Gentlemen'. As I have a multitude of other things to do it's probably best if I bow out gracefully at this stage and let you guys get on with it. You have very firm ideas of what's what, so I don't think I can contribute anything useful other than to wish you all the best of luck.Go to Top of Page
panbiker
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Posted - 07/12/2011 : 20:10
I went in the library today to ask if they held or knew of any existing written history of the Barnoldswick war memorial. They don't have anything or know of any existing record. They did make one suggestion which was to look in the B.U.D.C. minute books which they hold at the library. I may well do this if nothing else turns up, I would like to know why the cenotaph was put up in Letcliffe when it was first erected and why it remained there for the next 60 years before being re-sited in town.

While I was in the library I came across a publication put together by Robert Abel and published by Earby History Society. The book is entitled "Remember Them" and covers the Earby, Salterforth , Kelbrook and Thornton in Craven lads that were lost in the Second World War and are commemorated on the Earby memorial. The publication runs to 80 pages and has details for each person very much as Peter is turning up for our Barlick Lads. There is a good distribution of photographs throughout the book.  I have taken it out on loan so I can have a good look.

Peter you may want to seek this one out for a look yourself.

I have also been chasing down contacts for our appeal. I have started a spreadsheet with all the details for the West Craven Area Comittee members. I started another for the Barlick Town Council Members, unfortunately their details are no longer given on the Pendle Council website. I called at the council office and also at the Rainhall Centre, neither have a list of current members. 

I cannot get in to see the Town Clerk as I am working when he is at the Rainhall Centre but I have emailed him for the information we require.

Once complete it will be easy to mail merge any correspondence we want to send to either body.


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wendyf
Senior Member


1439 Posts
Posted - 07/12/2011 : 21:02
"Remember Them" by Bob Abel, published by Earby History Society. It is £4.50 if you want to buy one. I can get you a copy, or there might be some for sale at the Mining Museum or the Council Shop in Earby.


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panbiker
Senior Member


2301 Posts
Posted - 07/12/2011 : 21:27
Thanks for that Wendy.

It is interesting to note that in the foreword, Bob records his research sources as the war time editions of the local papers, (Craven Herald, Barnoldswick an Earby Times and Colne Times) plus the records of the CWGC. I wonder if it was the newspaper sources that turned up any of the additional names that were missing from the Earby memorial as well.

 


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Chris CPGW
New Member


41 Posts
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 10:02
Ian I would think it would be a mix of all those documents. By far the most important one in regards to the service men and women who lost their lives during the second war, would be the local newspapers . Searching for names on microfilm is time consuming but will no doubt  reveal any lost names if there is any . You will need to establish who is prepared to volunteer for this task as its not an easy one.


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elise
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 10:26
The inscription on the memorial should read:

 1914-19

 


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Chris CPGW
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41 Posts
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 11:18
Your'e quite right Elise, my mistake   Embarassed   I need to sort that out !!



Edited by - Chris CPGW on 08/12/2011 11:28:00 AM


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Chris CPGW
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 11:32


Edited by - Chris CPGW on 08/12/2011 11:32:46 AM


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panbiker
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 14:55
I now have my list of town councillors from the clerk, so I can develop my contacts lists.

I agree that the local newspapers will probably be the route for checking for anyone else missing without buying into a subscription service.

Military Genealogy holds an online version of the Army Roll of Honour for WWII which was transposed from War Office records. I cant tell from the FAQ on the website if you can search this other than by Surname. If anyone knows it would be very useful.  There are over 171,000 records in the database which, looking at the example search result includes a "residence" field. If it could be searched on this field it would certainly speed up the checking. The database covers 1939 - 1946.

The chance of further missing casualties will drop dramatically after WWII although there were many conflicts that we were involved in.

It may be worth appealing for information in any press release if anyone has a family member from the armed forces who they think should be commemorated on our memorial. We would obviously check the details before inclusion but it may be an idea that could turn something up.


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